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===When Pas Haba Bekisnin is eaten with other foods=== | ===When Pas Haba Bekisnin is eaten with other foods=== | ||
# According to Sephardim even if Pas Haba BeKisnin is eaten with other foods | # According to Sephardim even if Pas Haba BeKisnin is eaten with other foods, the other foods are not taken into consideration when considering the amount of a meal. <ref>Chazon Ovadia [[Berachot]] page 55, Sh”t Shemesh Umagen 2:11:page 29, Kaf HaChaim 168:47 rules against the Magan Avraham 168:13 and says that S”A implies that one must be the amount of a meal from the Pat itself. </ref> | ||
# However, according to Ashkenazim the following laws apply: | # However, according to Ashkenazim the following laws apply: | ||
# If one eats 8 Kezayitim of [[Pas HaBah Bekisnin]] which is a bread substitute (such as crackers) together with food that is normally eaten with the [[Pas HaBah Bekisnin]] (such as meat) and was full then one should [[HaMotzei]] and [[Birkat HaMazon]]. <Ref>See full discussion [[#Pas HaBah Bekisnin with other foods]] </ref> | # If one eats 8 Kezayitim of [[Pas HaBah Bekisnin]] which is a bread substitute (such as crackers) together with food that is normally eaten with the [[Pas HaBah Bekisnin]] (such as meat) and was full then one should [[HaMotzei]] and [[Birkat HaMazon]]. <Ref>See full discussion [[#Pas HaBah Bekisnin with other foods]] </ref> | ||
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## eat less than the amount that people normally would become full from, OR | ## eat less than the amount that people normally would become full from, OR | ||
## separate the food from the [[Pas HaBah Bekisnin]] as follows: eat the [[Pas HaBah Bekisnin]], make Al Hamichya, and then eat the other foods, or if that’s not possible easily, then do the opposite, eat the other foods, make [[Bracha Achrona]], and then eat the [[Pas HaBah Bekisnin]]. It’s important to note that this (last) advice isn’t applicable if the other foods include [[mezonot]] (such as rice or noodles) because of making an unnecessary Bracha. <ref> See full discussion [[#Pas HaBah Bekisnin with other foods]] </ref> | ## separate the food from the [[Pas HaBah Bekisnin]] as follows: eat the [[Pas HaBah Bekisnin]], make Al Hamichya, and then eat the other foods, or if that’s not possible easily, then do the opposite, eat the other foods, make [[Bracha Achrona]], and then eat the [[Pas HaBah Bekisnin]]. It’s important to note that this (last) advice isn’t applicable if the other foods include [[mezonot]] (such as rice or noodles) because of making an unnecessary Bracha. <ref> See full discussion [[#Pas HaBah Bekisnin with other foods]] </ref> | ||
## After the fact, in the above cases (a-b) if one did have the [[Pas HaBah Bekisnin]] and other food without employing any of the above options, then one should make [[Al HaMichya]]. <ref><span id=" | ## After the fact, in the above cases (a-b) if one did have the [[Pas HaBah Bekisnin]] and other food without employing any of the above options, then one should make [[Al HaMichya]]. <ref><span id="Pas HaBah Bekisnin with other foods"></span> | ||
'''[[Pas HaBah Bekisnin]] with other foods''' | '''[[Pas HaBah Bekisnin]] with other foods''' | ||
* Magan Avraham 168:13 writes that if one eats [[Pas HaBah Bekisnin]] with other foods then all the food are counted towards the amount of a regular meal. This is quoted as halacha by Mishna Brurah 168:24, Chaye Adam 54:4, Halachos of [[Brachos]] (chap 27, pg 490-1), and Vezot HaBracha (chap 4, pg 32-6). | * Magan Avraham 168:13 writes that if one eats [[Pas HaBah Bekisnin]] with other foods then all the food are counted towards the amount of a regular meal. This is quoted as halacha by Mishna Brurah 168:24, Chaye Adam 54:4, Halachos of [[Brachos]] (chap 27, pg 490-1), and Vezot HaBracha (chap 4, pg 32-6). | ||
