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* How are wraps and tortillas made? From several accounts, it seems clear that wraps and tortillas are made from a thick dough that is rolled out and cooked in a frying pan without oil or with a minimal amount. The wheat flour is always the primary ingredient and there is also water or a substitute, such as milk. To prove this point, see [[http://www.wikihow.com/Make-Your-Own-Tortillas a Wikihow article]], [[http://www.wikihow.com/Make-Flour-Tortillas another Wikihow article]], or [[http://www.cooking-mexican-recipes.com/flour_tortilla_recipe.html a video on cooking-mexican-recipes]]. | * How are wraps and tortillas made? From several accounts, it seems clear that wraps and tortillas are made from a thick dough that is rolled out and cooked in a frying pan without oil or with a minimal amount. The wheat flour is always the primary ingredient and there is also water or a substitute, such as milk. To prove this point, see [[http://www.wikihow.com/Make-Your-Own-Tortillas a Wikihow article]], [[http://www.wikihow.com/Make-Flour-Tortillas another Wikihow article]], or [[http://www.cooking-mexican-recipes.com/flour_tortilla_recipe.html a video on cooking-mexican-recipes]]. | ||
* In terms of the bracha, a few factors should be considered. 1) The ingredients other than flour and water and 2) The thinness of the wrap or tortilla. Within this second topic, there are several subtopics including: 1) Consituting tzrat pat (look of bread), 2) | * In terms of the bracha, a few factors should be considered. 1) The ingredients other than flour and water and 2) The thinness of the wrap or tortilla. Within this second topic, there are several subtopics including: 1) Consituting tzrat pat (look of bread), 2) | ||
* In terms of the other ingredients, the issue to consider is whether the wrap becomes Pat Haba Bikisnin because of those ingredients. According to Sephardim, following S"A 168: | * In terms of the other ingredients, the issue to consider is whether the wrap becomes Pat Haba Bikisnin because of those ingredients. According to Sephardim, following S"A 168:7, if the flavor of the milk, oil, or the like can be tasted and makes it taste significantly different from bread, the bracha would be [[mezonot]]. According to Ashkenazim, following Mishna Brurah 168:33, only if there was a majority of ingredients in comparison to the amount of water would the bracha be [[mezonot]]. For more on this issue, see above. | ||
* kuba de'ara | * kuba de'ara | ||
* m"b abt wafers...so thin that it is liquid... | * m"b abt wafers...so thin that it is liquid... | ||
* frying vs [[cooking]] | * frying vs [[cooking]] | ||
* tzurat hapat | * tzurat hapat | ||
ke'achin yeveshin | |||
* S"A 168:8 writes that Lachmaniyot are [[Hamotzei]] if they are made with a thick dough, and [[mezonot]] if they are made with a thin dough. Mishna Brurah 168:37 explains that thin dough means that it is liquidly, like porridge, and can be poured. | |||
168:15 | |||
====Cheerios==== | ====Cheerios==== | ||
