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#According to Sephardim, if one ate less than 6 [[Measurements#Kezayit|Kezaytim]] one should make a [[Mezonot]]. If one eats more than 8 [[Measurements#Kezayit|Kezayitim]] one should make HaMotzei. Preferably one shouldn't eat between 6 and 8 [[Measurements#Kezayit|Kezaytim]] and if one did then one should just make Al HaMichya. [For background see footnote.]<ref> | #According to Sephardim, if one ate less than 6 [[Measurements#Kezayit|Kezaytim]] one should make a [[Mezonot]]. If one eats more than 8 [[Measurements#Kezayit|Kezayitim]] one should make HaMotzei. Preferably one shouldn't eat between 6 and 8 [[Measurements#Kezayit|Kezaytim]] and if one did then one should just make Al HaMichya. [For background see footnote.]<ref> | ||
'''What’s the Bracha on Pas HaBah Bekisnin?''' | '''What’s the Bracha on Pas HaBah Bekisnin?''' | ||
* The opinion of Rav Nachman and Shmuel in Gemara Brachot 42b is the Bracha on Pas HaBah Bekisnin is [[Mezonot]] when eaten as a snack and HaMotzei when eaten as a meal. Rashi (Brachot 41b | * The opinion of Rav Nachman and Shmuel in Gemara Brachot 42b is the Bracha on Pas HaBah Bekisnin is [[Mezonot]] when eaten as a snack and HaMotzei when eaten as a meal. Rashi (Brachot 41b s.v. Pas) and the Rif 30a holds that if one eats Pas HaBah Bekisnin as a snack there’s either no Bracha Achrona at all or there’s only a Boreh Nefashot (see Rabbenu Yonah’s (29b s.v. Trisar) two explanations of the Rif and Tosfot’s (D”H Elah) explanation of Rashi). However, Tosfot (41b s.v. Elah) explains that the Bracha Achrona on Pas HaBah Bekisnin is Al HaMichya (if one doesn’t make it into a meal). The Rosh 6:30, Rashba s.v. Rav Huna, and Rambam (Brachot 3:9) agree with Tosfot and the Tur and S”A 168:6 codify this as halacha that for a snack one makes [[Mezonot]] and Al HaMichya and a meal one makes HaMotzei and Birkat HaMazon. | ||
'''What is considered a meal?''' | '''What is considered a meal?''' | ||
* The Bet Yosef 168:6 quoting the Shibolei HaLeket (Siman 159), Magan Avraham 168:13, and Chaye Adam 54:14 in name of the Gra hold that the amount of meal for this halacha is the amount people normally eat at a regular meal in the morning and evening. (Mishna Brurah 168:24 and Shaar HaTziyun 19 also quote the Sefer Eshkol and Shagat Aryeh). However, the Birkei Yosef 186:4 and Kaf HaChaim 168:45 argue that the amount of a meal in this context is the same as a meal for Eruv Chatzerot which is either 3 or 4 KeBaytzim. | * The Bet Yosef 168:6 quoting the Shibolei HaLeket (Siman 159), Magan Avraham 168:13, and Chaye Adam 54:14 in name of the Gra hold that the amount of meal for this halacha is the amount people normally eat at a regular meal in the morning and evening. (Mishna Brurah 168:24 and Shaar HaTziyun 19 also quote the Sefer Eshkol and Shagat Aryeh). However, the Birkei Yosef 186:4 and Kaf HaChaim 168:45 argue that the amount of a meal in this context is the same as a meal for Eruv Chatzerot which is either 3 or 4 KeBaytzim. | ||
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==What is Pas Haba Bikisnin?== | ==What is Pas Haba Bikisnin?== | ||
The S"A (168:7) rules that there are three definitions of Pas Haba Bikisnin. <ref>'''What is Pas HaBah Bekisnin?''' | The S"A (168:7) rules that there are three definitions of Pas Haba Bikisnin. <ref>'''What is Pas HaBah Bekisnin?''' | ||
* Rashi (Brachot 42b | * Rashi (Brachot 42b s.v. Pas) explains that Pas HaBah Bekisnin is a cake which was made from a dough that was kneaded with spices. Rabbenu Yonah (29a s.v. Shein) quotes Rabbenu Chananel that it’s a bread with a pocket filled with nuts, honey, or other sweets. Lastly, the Aruch (D”H Kesen, quoted by Bet Yosef 168:8) quotes Rav Hai Goan that it’s a hard cracker-like bread. The S”A 168:8 rules all three opinions. | ||
</ref> | </ref> | ||
One therefore makes a [[Mezonot]] when eating an item that falls into one of the three categories: | One therefore makes a [[Mezonot]] when eating an item that falls into one of the three categories: | ||
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====Matzah==== | ====Matzah==== | ||
# The Ashkenazic minhag is to make HaMotzei on Matzeh all year round <ref>Vezot HaBracha (pg 20), Tzitz Eliezer 11:19. Shevet Halevi 1: in the footnotes to SA 168:8 says one should be machmir and eat as part of a meal. Rav Tzvi [[Pesach]] frank Sh"t Har Tzvi OC 91 says on the small matza-like crackers to say mezonot, and only say hamotzi if you are kovea seuda on matza. </ref> whereas the Sephardic minhag is to make [[Mezonot]] and Al HaMichya on [[Matzah]] all year round except for [[Pesach]] when one makes HaMotzei and Birkat HaMazon. <ref> Chazon Ovadia Berachot page 61, Sh"t shemesh umagen OC 1:34. This is in accordance with the definition of the Aruch | # The Ashkenazic minhag is to make HaMotzei on Matzeh all year round <ref>Vezot HaBracha (pg 20), Tzitz Eliezer 11:19. Shevet Halevi 1: in the footnotes to SA 168:8 says one should be machmir and eat as part of a meal. Rav Tzvi [[Pesach]] frank Sh"t Har Tzvi OC 91 says on the small matza-like crackers to say mezonot, and only say hamotzi if you are kovea seuda on matza. </ref> whereas the Sephardic minhag is to make [[Mezonot]] and Al HaMichya on [[Matzah]] all year round except for [[Pesach]] when one makes HaMotzei and Birkat HaMazon. <ref> Chazon Ovadia Berachot page 61, Sh"t shemesh umagen OC 1:34. This is in accordance with the definition of the Aruch s.v. Kesen, quoted by Bet Yosef 168:8 quoting Rav Hai Gaon that pat haba bikisnin is a hard cracker-like bread, quoted in SA 168:8.</ref> Nonetheless, Sephardic authorities add that (for all year-round besides Pesach) those who want to make HaMotzei on [[Matzah]] when eaten as a meal (even without 216 grams) can do so and that a God fearing person would always eat [[Matzah]] in a meal with real bread. <Ref> Vezot HaBracha (Chapter 3, pg 20), Yalkut Yosef (Kitzur S”A 168:4), Chazon Ovadyah (Brachot pg 61), Chida in Machazik Beracha 158:5. </ref> | ||
# On Motzei [[Pesach]] before people buy back their chametz, the bracha on [[Matzah]] is still HaMotzei. <ref> Chazon Ovadyah (Brachot p 64) </ref> | # On Motzei [[Pesach]] before people buy back their chametz, the bracha on [[Matzah]] is still HaMotzei. <ref> Chazon Ovadyah (Brachot p 64) </ref> | ||
# If the last day of [[Pesach]] falls out on Friday, then the bracha on [[Matzah]] for the Shabbat immediately following [[Pesach]] is Hamotzei.<ref>Or Letzion (vol 3, p. 100) </ref> | # If the last day of [[Pesach]] falls out on Friday, then the bracha on [[Matzah]] for the Shabbat immediately following [[Pesach]] is Hamotzei.<ref>Or Letzion (vol 3, p. 100) </ref> | ||
