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#Since we are supposed to make the beracha before doing the mitzva (''over liasiyatan'')<ref>Pesachim 7b, Rambam Hilchot [[Lulav]] 7:6 </ref> and since we fulfill the mitzva of [[arba minim]] by simply lifting them together <ref>Sukka 42a </ref> | #Since we are supposed to make the beracha before doing the mitzva (''[[over liasiyatan]]'')<ref>Pesachim 7b, Rambam Hilchot [[Lulav]] 7:6 </ref> and since we fulfill the mitzva of [[arba minim]] by simply lifting them together<ref>Sukka 42a </ref> it is preferable to follow one of these methods so that you say the beracha and then do the mitzva. Either | ||
##take the [[Lulav]], [[Hadasim]], and [[Aravot]] in one’s right hand, leave the [[Etrog]] on the Table (out of the box)<ref>As the Rambam says in Hilchot Sukka 7:5 the taking of the daled minim are all one mitzva and are miakev each other (meaning taking 3 without the 4th doesn't fulfill anything.) Therefore, until you take the [[etrog]] you haven't fulfilled your obligation, then you say the beracha, and then fulfill your obligation. The Bach 651 says that this option only works according to Rabbeinu Tam cited in Tosafot [[Sukkah]] 34b s.v. Shetehei who holds that one must take all four species simultaneously to fulfill his obligation. The Rosh [[Sukkah]] 3:14 disagrees and says there is no need to take all four together. Therefore, the Bach says this suggestion wouldn't work according to the Rosh. However, the Shaar Hatziyun 651:28 disagrees with the Bach and says even according to the Rosh this suggestion would work because even though you don't need to lift them simultaneously, you haven't fulfilled your obligation until you lift all four at least at some point. Beur Gra 651:16 thinks this solution doesn't work.</ref> | ##take the [[Lulav]], [[Hadasim]], and [[Aravot]] in one’s right hand, leave the [[Etrog]] on the Table (out of the box)<ref>As the Rambam says in Hilchot Sukka 7:5 the taking of the daled minim are all one mitzva and are miakev each other (meaning taking 3 without the 4th doesn't fulfill anything.) Therefore, until you take the [[etrog]] you haven't fulfilled your obligation, then you say the beracha, and then fulfill your obligation. The Bach 651 says that this option only works according to Rabbeinu Tam cited in Tosafot [[Sukkah]] 34b s.v. Shetehei who holds that one must take all four species simultaneously to fulfill his obligation. The Rosh [[Sukkah]] 3:14 disagrees and says there is no need to take all four together. Therefore, the Bach says this suggestion wouldn't work according to the Rosh. However, the Shaar Hatziyun 651:28 disagrees with the Bach and says even according to the Rosh this suggestion would work because even though you don't need to lift them simultaneously, you haven't fulfilled your obligation until you lift all four at least at some point. Beur Gra 651:16 thinks this solution doesn't work.</ref> | ||
##or take the [[Lulav]] in one’s right hand, and [[Etrog]] in one’s left hand while the [[Etrog]] is upside down <ref>Holding the [[etrog]] upside down allows you not to fulfill your obligation until you flip it over because the Gemara Sukka 42a that in order to fulfill the mitzva of taking the daled minim all four have to be held kiderech gideilatan"-the way in which they grow. Mishna Brurah 652:16 says you aren't even yotze bidieved. Bach 651 (mentioned in the previous suggestion) says based on the aforementioned Rosh this suggestion would also not work unless you held all 4 minim upside down. Beur Gra 651:16 thinks this solution doesn't work.</ref> | ##or take the [[Lulav]] in one’s right hand, and [[Etrog]] in one’s left hand while the [[Etrog]] is upside down <ref>Holding the [[etrog]] upside down allows you not to fulfill your obligation until you flip it over because the Gemara Sukka 42a that in order to fulfill the mitzva of taking the daled minim all four have to be held kiderech gideilatan"-the way in which they grow. Mishna Brurah 652:16 says you aren't even yotze bidieved. Bach 651 (mentioned in the previous suggestion) says based on the aforementioned Rosh this suggestion would also not work unless you held all 4 minim upside down. Beur Gra 651:16 thinks this solution doesn't work.</ref> | ||
