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==Set up of the Arba Minim==
==Set up of the Arba Minim==
# The Sephardic custom is to put one [[Hadas]] and one Aravah on the left of the lulav, one [[Hadas]] in the middle but slightly to the right , and one [[Hadas]] and one Aravah on the right side. <Ref> Magan Avraham 651:4 quoting the Arizal writes that one should put one [[Hadas]] and one Aravah on the left of the lulav, one [[Hadas]] in the middle together with the Lulav, and one [[Hadas]] and one Aravah on the right side. The Shaar HaTzion 651:11 quotes the Pri Megadim who says that one shouldn’t follow that practice unless one is known for his piety. However, Yalkut Yosef (Moadim pg 160) writes that the Sephardic custom is to follow the Arizal. The Chazon Ovadyah (Sukkot pg 343) also quotes the Magan Avraham. </ref> However, the Ashkenazic custom is to set up the Hadasim to the right of the Lulav and the Aravot to the left. <ref>Mishna Brurah 651:12, Natai Gavriel (Arba Minim 40:4)</ref>
# The Sephardic custom is to put one [[Hadas]] and one Aravah on the left of the lulav, one [[Hadas]] in the middle but slightly to the right , and one [[Hadas]] and one Aravah on the right side. <Ref> Magan Avraham 651:4 quoting the Arizal writes that one should put one [[Hadas]] and one Aravah on the left of the lulav, one [[Hadas]] in the middle together with the Lulav, and one [[Hadas]] and one Aravah on the right side. The Shaar HaTzion 651:11 quotes the Pri Megadim who says that one shouldn’t follow that practice unless one is known for his piety. However, Yalkut Yosef (Moadim pg 160) writes that the Sephardic custom is to follow the Arizal. The Chazon Ovadyah (Sukkot pg 343) also quotes the Magan Avraham. </ref> However, the Ashkenazic custom is to set up the [[Hadasim]] to the right of the Lulav and the Aravot to the left. <ref>Mishna Brurah 651:12, Natai Gavriel (Arba Minim 40:4)</ref>
#It is a mitzva to tie the lulav together, but if you don't it is still kosher. <ref> Shulchan Aruch 651:1. Mishna Berura 651:8 explains although we don't hold like the shita of Rabbi Yehuda on Succa 11b who says that you need to tie it together, there is still the mitzva of hiddur mitzva from the pasuk of  זֶה אֵלִי וְאַנְוֵהוּ. Yalkut Yosef Moadim 159, Chazon Ovadia Succot 340 </ref>
#It is a mitzva to tie the lulav together, but if you don't it is still kosher. <ref> Shulchan Aruch 651:1. Mishna Berura 651:8 explains although we don't hold like the shita of Rabbi Yehuda on Succa 11b who says that you need to tie it together, there is still the mitzva of hiddur mitzva from the pasuk of  זֶה אֵלִי וְאַנְוֵהוּ. Yalkut Yosef Moadim 159, Chazon Ovadia Succot 340 </ref>
#Sephardim should tie the three together with lulav leaves in three places using double knots, <ref> Shulchan Aruch 651:1,Chazon Ovadia Succot 342 quotes the Sefer Yiraim 124 also and says that is the custom. He also quotes the Chatam Sofer Succa 36b as saying that since the mitzva of hiddur is objective based on what the torah told us, we should only use the double knots made of lulav leaves and not use the handles that they have nowadays.  Mishna Berura 651:14 quotes the Mordechai explaining that these three ties are representative of the three patriarchs </ref> while Ashkenazim generally use the woven holder made of lulav leaves that has holes for the three minim, in addition to the three ties. <ref> Mishna Berura 651:8 quoting the Shu"t Agura Biohalecha (12:273). Tzitz Eliezer 13:43 agrees to this as well. </ref>  
#Sephardim should tie the three together with lulav leaves in three places using double knots, <ref> Shulchan Aruch 651:1,Chazon Ovadia Succot 342 quotes the Sefer Yiraim 124 also and says that is the custom. He also quotes the Chatam Sofer Succa 36b as saying that since the mitzva of hiddur is objective based on what the torah told us, we should only use the double knots made of lulav leaves and not use the handles that they have nowadays.  Mishna Berura 651:14 quotes the Mordechai explaining that these three ties are representative of the three patriarchs </ref> while Ashkenazim generally use the woven holder made of lulav leaves that has holes for the three minim, in addition to the three ties. <ref> Mishna Berura 651:8 quoting the Shu"t Agura Biohalecha (12:273). Tzitz Eliezer 13:43 agrees to this as well. </ref>  
#The minimum length for the lulav is four tefachim, and the minimum length for hadasim and aravot is three tefachim. There is no maximum length, however, if your hadasim or aravot are longer than 3 than your lulav has to remain at least a tefach taller so that at least part of it will shake recognizably. <ref> Succa 32b with Ritva, Ran, and Meiri there. Rambam Hilchot Succa 7:8 agrees too. </ref>
#The minimum length for the lulav is four tefachim, and the minimum length for hadasim and aravot is three tefachim. There is no maximum length, however, if your hadasim or aravot are longer than 3 than your lulav has to remain at least a tefach taller so that at least part of it will shake recognizably. <ref> Succa 32b with Ritva, Ran, and Meiri there. Rambam Hilchot Succa 7:8 agrees too. </ref>
# One should make sure to tie it up so that the Hadasim are above the Aravot. <Ref>Rama 651:1, Natai Gavriel 40:8, Chazon Ovadyah (Sukkot pg 343-4) </ref>
# One should make sure to tie it up so that the [[Hadasim]] are above the Aravot. <Ref>Rama 651:1, Natai Gavriel 40:8, Chazon Ovadyah (Sukkot pg 343-4) </ref>
#It is preferable not to have a non-jew tie them together for you, but if he does it is still kosher. <ref> Yalkut Yosef Moadim page 159 </ref>
#It is preferable not to have a non-jew tie them together for you, but if he does it is still kosher. <ref> Yalkut Yosef Moadim page 159 </ref>