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##or take the [[Lulav]] in one’s right hand, and [[Etrog]] in one’s left hand while the [[Etrog]] is upside down <ref>Holding the [[etrog]] upside down allows you not to fulfill your obligation until you flip it over because the Gemara Sukka 42a that in order to fulfill the mitzva of taking the daled minim all four have to be held kiderech gideilatan"-the way in which they grow. Mishna Brurah 652:16 says you aren't even yotze bidieved. Bach 651 (mentioned in the previous suggestion) says based on the aforementioned Rosh this suggestion would also not work unless you held all 4 minim upside down. Beur Gra 651:16 thinks this solution doesn't work.</ref> | ##or take the [[Lulav]] in one’s right hand, and [[Etrog]] in one’s left hand while the [[Etrog]] is upside down <ref>Holding the [[etrog]] upside down allows you not to fulfill your obligation until you flip it over because the Gemara Sukka 42a that in order to fulfill the mitzva of taking the daled minim all four have to be held kiderech gideilatan"-the way in which they grow. Mishna Brurah 652:16 says you aren't even yotze bidieved. Bach 651 (mentioned in the previous suggestion) says based on the aforementioned Rosh this suggestion would also not work unless you held all 4 minim upside down. Beur Gra 651:16 thinks this solution doesn't work.</ref> | ||
##or take the [[Lulav]] and [[Etrog]] in their upright positions and have in mind not to fulfill the mitzvah until you make the Bracha. <ref>This works because even if we say mitzvot don't need kavana (argument in [[Rosh Hashana]] 28b see http://halachipedia.com/index.php?title=Having_Kavana_for_Mitzvot ) to be yotze, most poskim agree that kavana not to be yotze doesn't fulfill your obligation. (Bet Yosef 589 and S”A 6:4). Rav Yosef Dov Soloveitchik in Reshimot [[Shiurim]] [[Sukkah]] 39a notes that this suggestion is only valid if over li'asiyatan requires one to recite the beracha prior to the fulfillment of the mitzvah but not if the beracha needs to be recited before the performance of the mitzva. Taz OC 651:5, writes that this suggestion is difficult as one may forget to have specific intent not to fulfill the mitzvah when he lifts them. However, this is the preferred method of the Biur Hagra 651:5. </ref>and then make the Bracha. <ref>All three suggestions are made by tosafot in sukka 39a "over". Shulchan Aruch O.C. 651:5 suggests the first two suggestions, while the Mishna Brurah 651:25 quotes the Bet Yosef who brings the third option and quotes the Gra as saying that the third option is the most preferable. The Mishna Brurah makes no mention of which option is preferable. Yalkut Yosef (Kitzur S”A 651:14) also brings all three opinions and doesn’t decide on which is most preferable. </ref> | ##or take the [[Lulav]] and [[Etrog]] in their upright positions and have in mind not to fulfill the mitzvah until you make the Bracha. <ref>This works because even if we say mitzvot don't need kavana (argument in [[Rosh Hashana]] 28b see http://halachipedia.com/index.php?title=Having_Kavana_for_Mitzvot ) to be yotze, most poskim agree that kavana not to be yotze doesn't fulfill your obligation. (Bet Yosef 589 and S”A 6:4). Rav Yosef Dov Soloveitchik in Reshimot [[Shiurim]] [[Sukkah]] 39a notes that this suggestion is only valid if over li'asiyatan requires one to recite the beracha prior to the fulfillment of the mitzvah but not if the beracha needs to be recited before the performance of the mitzva. Taz OC 651:5, writes that this suggestion is difficult as one may forget to have specific intent not to fulfill the mitzvah when he lifts them. However, this is the preferred method of the Biur Hagra 651:5. </ref>and then make the Bracha. <ref>All three suggestions are made by tosafot in sukka 39a "over". Shulchan Aruch O.C. 651:5 suggests the first two suggestions, while the Mishna Brurah 651:25 quotes the Bet Yosef who brings the third option and quotes the Gra as saying that the third option is the most preferable. The Mishna Brurah makes no mention of which option is preferable. Yalkut Yosef (Kitzur S”A 651:14) also brings all three opinions and doesn’t decide on which is most preferable. </ref> | ||
#After the fact if one took all four species (before making the Bracha), one may still make the Bracha as long as one didn’t shake it yet. <ref>Rosh | #After the fact if one took all four species (before making the Bracha), one may still make the Bracha as long as one didn’t shake it yet.<ref>Tosfot Pesachim 7b s.v. bidna, Rosh Sukka 3:33, Chayei Adam 148:11, Mishna Brurah 651:27, and Yalkut Yosef (Kitzur S”A 651:14). The Rabbeinu Nissim Sukka 20b "U'Midefarchinan" says that this is permitted even lechatchilah. The Bikkurei Yaakov 651:20 extends it to the entire [[hallel]] and the Aruch Hashulchan 651:14 says that as long as your still holding your [[lulav]] you can still say the beracha. Shaar Hatziyun 651:32 however rejects this opinion. </ref> | ||
==Set up of the Arba Minim== | ==Set up of the Arba Minim== | ||
