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==Closing bags== | ==Closing bags== | ||
# One may not close a bag with a metal or plastic twister. <Ref>Shemirat Shabbat KeHilchata 9:13 </ref> | # One may not close a bag with a metal or plastic twister. <Ref>Shemirat Shabbat KeHilchata 9:13 </ref> | ||
==Bottle | ==Bottle Caps== | ||
===Metal Caps=== | |||
# Many Ashkenazic poskim hold that one may not open a bottle with a metal cap for the first time on [[Shabbos]] because removing the cap separates the ring from the cap and makes the cap into a usable vessel. One may make a hole using a knife in the cap if there aren’t letters or pictures on it so that makes it unfit for a cap afterwards and then one may open the bottle.<Ref> Shemirat Shabbat KeHilchata 9:17 (new edition 9:18), [[Shabbos]] Kitchen (Rabbi Simcha Bunim Cohen, pg 184-6). [39 Melachos (Rabbi Ribiat, vol 3, pg 841) writes that a less preferable option is to twist off the cap and discard it immediately (and it may be useful to have another cap handy).] | # Many Ashkenazic poskim hold that one may not open a bottle with a metal cap for the first time on [[Shabbos]] because removing the cap separates the ring from the cap and makes the cap into a usable vessel. One may make a hole using a knife in the cap if there aren’t letters or pictures on it so that makes it unfit for a cap afterwards and then one may open the bottle.<Ref> Shemirat Shabbat KeHilchata 9:17 (new edition 9:18), [[Shabbos]] Kitchen (Rabbi Simcha Bunim Cohen, pg 184-6). [39 Melachos (Rabbi Ribiat, vol 3, pg 841) writes that a less preferable option is to twist off the cap and discard it immediately (and it may be useful to have another cap handy).] | ||
* Dor Hamelaktim quotes many poskim who were strict and forbade opening a metal twist cap on Shabbat including: Rivevot Efraim 3:267 s.v. heneh quoting Rav Moshe Feinstein (see Dor Hamelaktim for other accounts of Rav Moshe), Emet Lyakov n. 357, Betzel Hachachma (Shomer Shabbat Kdaat p. 5), Minchat Yitzchak (Likutei Teshuvot 35), Bear Moshe (Shomer Shabbat Kdaat p. 10), Az Nidbaru 3:28:3, Rav Elyashiv (Shalmei Yehuda 6:42, Shvut Yitzchak 13:190), Rav Sheinberg (Am Mekadeshei Sheviyit 2:2:34), Shevet Halevi (Kovetz Mbet Levi 1:59), Rivevot Efraim (Shomer Shabbat Kdaat p. 7), Shulchan Halevi 7:8, Chut Shani 2:37:3, Minchat Asher 1:28, and Orchot Shabbat 12:17.</ref> | * Dor Hamelaktim quotes many poskim who were strict and forbade opening a metal twist cap on Shabbat including: Rivevot Efraim 3:267 s.v. heneh quoting Rav Moshe Feinstein (see Dor Hamelaktim for other accounts of Rav Moshe), Emet Lyakov n. 357, Betzel Hachachma (Shomer Shabbat Kdaat p. 5), Minchat Yitzchak (Likutei Teshuvot 35), Bear Moshe (Shomer Shabbat Kdaat p. 10), Az Nidbaru 3:28:3, Rav Elyashiv (Shalmei Yehuda 6:42, Shvut Yitzchak 13:190), Rav Sheinberg (Am Mekadeshei Sheviyit 2:2:34), Shevet Halevi (Kovetz Mbet Levi 1:59), Rivevot Efraim (Shomer Shabbat Kdaat p. 7), Shulchan Halevi 7:8, Chut Shani 2:37:3, Minchat Asher 1:28, and Orchot Shabbat 12:17.</ref> | ||
# Some Ashkenazic poskim and Sephardic poskim hold it is permissible to open bottles with metal or plastic caps but add that one who is strict to open them before [[Shabbat]] will be blessed.<ref> Rav Ovadia Yosef in Sh"t Yechave Daat 2:42, Halichot Olam v. 4 p. 246 cited by Tiferet 314:7, and Yalkut Yosef (vol 2, pg 517, 675). Rav Ovadia Yosef disagrees with both points of Rav Shlomo Zalman. He thinks that even while the cap is attached to the bottle it is considered a kli since it is covering the bottle (Yechave Daat 2:42). Also, if you would be able to take it off without breaking the ring, even though it wouldn’t fit over a bottle of the same size, it would technically still be usable to cover (albeit not via screwing) a smaller bottle. (Response to Rav Shlomo Zalman quoted in Yalkut Yosef Shabbos Krach Bet 314:18:20) Additionally, the Magid Mishnah (Hil’ Shabbos 12:2) holds that metakein kli is completely permitted if you don’t have intent. Combining his above reasoning with the Magid Mishnah’s leniency, Rav Ovadia paskins that it is permitted to open bottle caps for the first time on Shabbos. Rav Shlomo Zalman disagrees with Rav Ovadia's application of the Magid Mishnah. He explains that even though your main intent is for the drinking, it’s also on your mind to make a cap that would be usable in the future. Nonetheless, Rav Ovadia paskins that it is permitted, and does not differentiate between metal and plastic bottle caps. | # Some Ashkenazic poskim and Sephardic poskim hold it is permissible to open bottles with metal or plastic caps but add that one who is strict to open them before [[Shabbat]] will be blessed.<ref> Rav Ovadia Yosef in Sh"t Yechave Daat 2:42, Halichot Olam v. 4 p. 246 cited by Tiferet 314:7, and Yalkut Yosef (vol 2, pg 517, 675). Rav Ovadia Yosef disagrees with both points of Rav Shlomo Zalman. He thinks that even while the cap is attached to the bottle it is considered a kli since it is covering the bottle (Yechave Daat 2:42). Also, if you would be able to take it off without breaking the ring, even though it wouldn’t fit over a bottle of the same size, it would technically still be usable to cover (albeit not via screwing) a smaller bottle. (Response to Rav Shlomo Zalman quoted in Yalkut Yosef Shabbos Krach Bet 314:18:20) Additionally, the Magid Mishnah (Hil’ Shabbos 12:2) holds that metakein kli is completely permitted if you don’t have intent. Combining his above reasoning with the Magid Mishnah’s leniency, Rav Ovadia paskins that it is permitted to open bottle caps for the first time on Shabbos. Rav Shlomo Zalman disagrees with Rav Ovadia's application of the Magid Mishnah. He explains that even though your main intent is for the drinking, it’s also on your mind to make a cap that would be usable in the future. Nonetheless, Rav Ovadia paskins that it is permitted, and does not differentiate between metal and plastic bottle caps. | ||
* See also Rabbi Mordechai Willig’s opinion in Am Mordechai ([[Shabbat]], Siman 29, pg 161). Rav Willig agrees that it is permitted. The bottle cap was a kli even before you broke off the ring, and the issur metakein kli is only when you create a kli, not when you merely alter the function of a preexisting kli. (Am Mordechai Siman 29:3) | * See also Rabbi Mordechai Willig’s opinion in Am Mordechai ([[Shabbat]], Siman 29, pg 161). Rav Willig agrees that it is permitted. The bottle cap was a kli even before you broke off the ring, and the issur metakein kli is only when you create a kli, not when you merely alter the function of a preexisting kli. (Am Mordechai Siman 29:3) | ||
* Dor Hamelaktim v. 4 p. 2100 quotes many who are lenient even with opening metal caps including: Even Yisrael v. 2 Hilchot Shechita, Or letzion 2:27:8, Tzitz Eliezer 14:45, Lehorot Natan 7:21, 8:19, Dvar Yehoshua 2:45, Divrei Yatziv OC 171, Mishna Halachot 7:47, and Yabia Omer 9:108:158.</ref> | * Dor Hamelaktim v. 4 p. 2100 quotes many who are lenient even with opening metal caps including: Even Yisrael v. 2 Hilchot Shechita, Or letzion 2:27:8, Tzitz Eliezer 14:45, Lehorot Natan 7:21, 8:19, Dvar Yehoshua 2:45, Divrei Yatziv OC 171, Mishna Halachot 7:47, and Yabia Omer 9:108:158.</ref> | ||
===Plastic Caps=== | |||
# Even among those who are strict, many permit opening a bottle with a plastic bottle cap because it had the form of a cap before it was ever attached and therefore separating the ring doesn't create a new utensil.<ref> Shemirat Shabbat KeHilchata 9:17 (new edition 9:18), [[Shabbos]] Kitchen (Rabbi Simcha Bunim Cohen, pg 184-6), and 39 Melachos (Rabbi Ribiat, vol 3, pg 841). 39 Melachos (Rabbi Ribiat, vol 3, pg 841) writes that a less preferable option is to twist off the cap and discard it immediately and it may be useful to have another cap handy. Rav Shlomo Zalman Auerbach explains that it is forbidden to open a bottle cap for the first time on Shabbos because in the process one is creating a new kli, i.e. a bottle cap that can now be used to cover bottles. While it was attached to the bottle it was not yet a kli, because it could not be screwed on and off of a bottle, which Rav Shlomo Zalman considers the key function of a bottle cap. (Minchas Shlomo 2:32) Also, if one was to break the bottle and slide off the cap as is, without breaking off the ring, it would not be functional as a cap at all. (Minchas Shlomo 1:91:12)<br/> However, Rav Shlomo Zalman distinguishes between a metal bottle cap and a plastic bottle cap. The above issues are all in regards to a metal bottle cap. A plastic bottle cap is different, because the ring is thinner, and majority of it is not attached to the cap. Therefore, it is recognizable that the ring is a separate entity from the cap itself and is meant to be removed. Based on this, Rav Shlomo Zalman paskins that it is forbidden to open metal bottle caps and permitted to open plastic bottle caps.<br/> Rav Ribiat thinks that the plastic caps that Rav Shlomo Zalman allows, which were from Eretz Yisrael, are different from the plastic caps that we have in America. (39 Melachos Makeh B’Patish footnote 96c). See Meor HaShabbos page 482 who offers a new leniency for plastic caps after researching the production of plastic soda bottles.</ref> | |||
# Some poskim are strict even with plastic caps.<ref> Rav Elyashiv (quoted in Orchos Shabbos Perek 12 footnote 31 says that they are all assur to open. Rav Elyashiv holds it’s forbidden to open both metal and plastic caps because of mechateich. Also, Rav Nissim Karelitz (Chut Shani in Am Mekadeshei Sheviyi 2:37) says that even by plastic there is an issue of metakein kli. </ref> | |||
===Shabbos Bottle Opener=== | ===Shabbos Bottle Opener=== | ||
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* (4) Degrading one’s friend. By asking one’s friend to do something which one holds is forbidden is treating him like a [[Shabbos goy]] or a less important Jew. | * (4) Degrading one’s friend. By asking one’s friend to do something which one holds is forbidden is treating him like a [[Shabbos goy]] or a less important Jew. | ||
* Rav Belsky concludes that it’s forbidden to ask him to open the bottle and it would be just as forbidden to ask him to open it for himself to drink because all the reasons apply except (perhaps) the first one. Though, he agrees that if the one who holds it is permissible opened it for himself it is permissible for others to benefit from the contents of the bottle. </ref> However, some say that if one is only strict based on the minhag of his Rabbis or father one may ask someone who holds it’s permissible.<Ref> Rav Shlomo Zalman Auerbach (Meor Ha[[Shabbat]] (Peninei HaMoer 3:8)) rules that if the one requesting holds it’s forbidden based on his ruling, then, it’s forbidden to ask someone who holds it’s permitted to do it for him, however, if the one requesting is only strict because of the minhag of his Rabbis or father, then it’s permitted to ask someone else to do that act. </ref> | * Rav Belsky concludes that it’s forbidden to ask him to open the bottle and it would be just as forbidden to ask him to open it for himself to drink because all the reasons apply except (perhaps) the first one. Though, he agrees that if the one who holds it is permissible opened it for himself it is permissible for others to benefit from the contents of the bottle. </ref> However, some say that if one is only strict based on the minhag of his Rabbis or father one may ask someone who holds it’s permissible.<Ref> Rav Shlomo Zalman Auerbach (Meor Ha[[Shabbat]] (Peninei HaMoer 3:8)) rules that if the one requesting holds it’s forbidden based on his ruling, then, it’s forbidden to ask someone who holds it’s permitted to do it for him, however, if the one requesting is only strict because of the minhag of his Rabbis or father, then it’s permitted to ask someone else to do that act. </ref> | ||
===Beer Bottles=== | |||
# Many hold that it is permissible to open a beer bottle by removing the cap, while some forbid it.<ref>Shemirat Shabbat Kehilchata 9:21. Dor Hamelaktim v. 4 p. 2105 quotes many poskim who permit opening a beer bottle on Shabbat. The Chazon Ish OC 51:11 s.v. vlhasir writes that since the cap wasn't made as a unit with the bottle opening the bottle doesn't involve any construction or destruction of the bottle or cap. Even though the cap is no longer usable since it was only made for one time use it is permitted to open it and make it unusable. Also, while it is on the bottle it isn't a utensil that can be reused; it is merely a seal that is meant to be broken. Agreeing with the Chazon Ish he cites Chut Shani 2:37:3, Orchot Shabbat 12:16, and Mechzeh Eliyahu Piya Pitcha Bchachma 1:7:3-4.</ref> | |||
==Plastic protective seal== | ==Plastic protective seal== | ||
