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* Rav Moshe argues with his proof since there’s no halacha of hashlama by mincha davening at all. The proof is that according to Rabbi Yochanan you can daven all day according to the Rambam and Rif even if you vaday already prayed. Also, how can they institute neilah unless there’s no din hashlama on davening mincha. [Chazon Ish Menachot 33:7 clearly held like Rav Elchanan that hashalama does apply to davening mincha.] | * Rav Moshe argues with his proof since there’s no halacha of hashlama by mincha davening at all. The proof is that according to Rabbi Yochanan you can daven all day according to the Rambam and Rif even if you vaday already prayed. Also, how can they institute neilah unless there’s no din hashlama on davening mincha. [Chazon Ish Menachot 33:7 clearly held like Rav Elchanan that hashalama does apply to davening mincha.] | ||
* Rav Elchanan proves from the Tur who says that that we do chanuka candles and then havdalah that tadir is pushed aside for any reason even if it is optional since extending Shabbat is optional after the exact time for tosefet Shabbat. So too we can push off tadir for tefillah btzibur. Rav Moshe argues that kavod shabbat exists whether it is Shabbat or long afterwards and that is what is pushing aside tadir. | * Rav Elchanan proves from the Tur who says that that we do chanuka candles and then havdalah that tadir is pushed aside for any reason even if it is optional since extending Shabbat is optional after the exact time for tosefet Shabbat. So too we can push off tadir for tefillah btzibur. Rav Moshe argues that kavod shabbat exists whether it is Shabbat or long afterwards and that is what is pushing aside tadir. | ||
* Maharshag 1:22 agrees with Rav Moshe. Additionally, Rav Chaim Zonenfeld (Shalmat Chaim OC 113) agrees with Rav Moshe for another reason because he assumes that it is considered tefillah btzibur even though you’re davening another Shemona Esrei with them.</ref> | * Maharshag 1:22 agrees with Rav Moshe. Additionally, Rav Chaim Zonenfeld (Shalmat Chaim OC 113) agrees with Rav Moshe for another reason because he assumes that it is considered tefillah btzibur even though you’re davening another Shemona Esrei with them. Yalkut Yosef 90:9:5 cites this dispute.</ref> | ||
==Eating before Mussaf of [[Shabbat]] or [[Yom Tov]]== | ==Eating before Mussaf of [[Shabbat]] or [[Yom Tov]]== | ||
