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==Muktzeh Machmat Chisaron Kis==
==Muktzeh Machmat Chisaron Kis==
===Definition===
===Definition===
# Regarding merchandise that can be sold, if the owner<ref>Machasit Hashekel 308:2, Pri Megdim E”A 308:2, Levushei Sarad 308:2 all understand that it depends on the individual and not the place. Mishna Brurah 308:6 codifies these opinions that it depends on the owner exclusively. However, Shulchan Aruch Harav 308:6 implies that it depends on the place and if in that place they are makpid it is mutzeh machmat chisaron kis and if not not. It depends on the place. Harchev Daat Muktzeh 1 p. 401 points out this dispute.</ref> is particular not to use it, it’s Muktzeh Machmat Chisaron Kis, however, if the owner isn’t concerned that it’ll get ruined, it’s not [[Muktzeh]]. <Ref>The Bet Yosef 308:1 asks how the Rambam could write that merchandise is Muktzeh Machmat Chisaron Kis if the Gemara [[Shabbat]] 19b implies that it isn't [[Muktzeh]] according to Rabbi Shimon and he concludes that if the owner is concerned about using it then it is Muktzeh Machmat Chisaron Kis, but if he isn't concerned it isn't [[Muktzeh]]. Rama 308:1 and Mishna Brurah 308:7 codify this as halacha. Chazon Ish 42:16 clarifies that merchandise can be Muktzeh Machmat Chisaron Kis even if the item is otherwise a [[Kli SheMelachto LeHeter]]. Shulchan Aruch HaRav 308:4 and Shemirat Shabbat KeHilchata 20:21 agree.</ref>
# Merchandise which the other is particular not to use in anticipation of it's same<ref>Machasit Hashekel 308:2, Pri Megdim E”A 308:2, Levushei Sarad 308:2 all understand that it depends on the individual and not the place. Mishna Brurah 308:6 codifies these opinions that it depends on the owner exclusively. However, Shulchan Aruch Harav 308:6 implies that it depends on the place and if in that place they are makpid it is mutzeh machmat chisaron kis and if not not. It depends on the place. Harchev Daat Muktzeh 1 p. 401 points out this dispute.</ref> is Muktzeh Machmat Chisaron Kis. However, if the owner isn’t concerned that it’ll get ruined, it’s not [[Muktzeh]]. <Ref>The Bet Yosef 308:1 asks how the Rambam could write that merchandise is Muktzeh Machmat Chisaron Kis if the Gemara [[Shabbat]] 19b implies that it isn't [[Muktzeh]] according to Rabbi Shimon and he concludes that if the owner is concerned about using it then it is Muktzeh Machmat Chisaron Kis, but if he isn't concerned it isn't [[Muktzeh]]. Rama 308:1 and Mishna Brurah 308:7 codify this as halacha. Chazon Ish 42:16 clarifies that merchandise can be Muktzeh Machmat Chisaron Kis even if the item is otherwise a [[Kli SheMelachto LeHeter]]. Shulchan Aruch HaRav 308:4 and Shemirat Shabbat KeHilchata 20:21 agree.</ref>
# Food merchandise according to some poskim isn't considered muktzeh machmat chisaron kis.<ref>Rav Nevinsal in Byitzchak Yikreh 308:1</ref>
# Food which one plans to sell isn't considered muktzeh machmat chisaron kis according to some poskim.<ref>Rav Nevinsal in Byitzchak Yikreh 308:1</ref>
# Some say that Muktza Machmat Chisaron Kis only applies to vessels that are already Kli SheMelachto LeIssur but not to vessels that are [[Kli SheMelachto LeHeter]].<reF>Shulchan Aruch HaRav 308:4, Yalkut Yosef (vol 2, pp. 328-332)
# Some say that Muktza Machmat Chisaron Kis only applies to vessels that are already Kli SheMelachto LeIssur but not to vessels that are [[Kli SheMelachto LeHeter]].<reF>Shulchan Aruch HaRav 308:4, Yalkut Yosef (vol 2, pp. 328-332)
Can you have muktzeh machmat chisaron kis for a kli shemelachto lheter?  
Can you have muktzeh machmat chisaron kis for a kli shemelachto lheter?  
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