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# A item that’s Muktzeh Machmat Chisaron Kis can not be moved for any need, for the need of its place or for the need of the object itself. <Ref> | # A item that’s Muktzeh Machmat Chisaron Kis can not be moved for any need, for the need of its place or for the need of the object itself. <Ref>Tosfot 123b s.v. vsakina and Rosh responsa 22:8 clarify that it is forbidden to move something that is muktzeh machmat chisaron kis at all even if you need it itself. Bet Yosef 308:1 explains that the Rambam 25:9 agrees. Darkei Moshe 308:1 cites Rabbenu Yerucham 12:13 as agreeing. However, the Mordechai Shabbat 3:315 argues that really muktzeh machmat chisaron kis is permitted to move for the need of the item or its place. Shulchan Aruch O.C. 308:1 rules like the majority of rishonim that a muktzeh machmat chisaron kis is completely forbidden. Maamer Mordechai 308:1 agrees.</ref> | ||
# If something that was muktzeh machmat chisaron kis during [[Bein HaShemashot]] and broke on Shabbat and no longer is muktzeh machmat chisaron kis it is still muktzeh.<ref>Magen Avraham 308:19, Mishna Brurah 308:35, Shulchan Aruch Harav 308:4, Chazon Ish 43:21. Rabbi Akiva Eiger Beitzah 2b s.v. btosfot argues that perhaps it isn’t muktzeh since once a person decides to use it for something else it isn’t muktzeh machmat chisaron kis. He echoes this position in Hagahot Rabbi Akiva Eiger on Magen Avraham 308:19.</ref> | # If something that was muktzeh machmat chisaron kis during [[Bein HaShemashot]] and broke on Shabbat and no longer is muktzeh machmat chisaron kis it is still muktzeh.<ref>Magen Avraham 308:19, Mishna Brurah 308:35, Shulchan Aruch Harav 308:4, Chazon Ish 43:21. Rabbi Akiva Eiger Beitzah 2b s.v. btosfot argues that perhaps it isn’t muktzeh since once a person decides to use it for something else it isn’t muktzeh machmat chisaron kis. He echoes this position in Hagahot Rabbi Akiva Eiger on Magen Avraham 308:19.</ref> | ||
# Merchandise which is meant to be sold, if the owner is particular not to use it, it’s Muktzeh Machmat Chisaron Kis, however, if the owner isn’t concerned that it’ll get ruined, it’s not [[Muktzeh]]. <Ref>Rama 308:1, Mishna Brurah 308:7 </ref> | # Merchandise which is meant to be sold, if the owner is particular not to use it, it’s Muktzeh Machmat Chisaron Kis, however, if the owner isn’t concerned that it’ll get ruined, it’s not [[Muktzeh]]. <Ref>Rama 308:1, Mishna Brurah 308:7 </ref> | ||
# A board of wood which is owned by a carpenter or a store owner who plans on selling is Muktzeh Machmat Chisaron Kis if it’s the usual case where the owner is concerned about using it for other purposes (sitting on it) so that it doesn’t break. <Ref> | # A board of wood which is owned by a carpenter or a store owner who plans on selling is Muktzeh Machmat Chisaron Kis if it’s the usual case where the owner is concerned about using it for other purposes (sitting on it) so that it doesn’t break. <Ref>Shulchan Aruch O.C. 308:26 </ref> | ||
# Some say that it is permitted to move muktzeh machmat chisaron kis by placing something permitted on top of it, however, most hold that this is forbidden.<ref>Rosh 22:8:4 writes that it is permitted to move any kli shemelachto lisur if you place upon it something permitted such as a piece of bread. That solution doesn’t work for real muktzeh but does work for any kli. Rabbi Akiva Eiger 305:7 suggests that the same should apply to muktzeh machmat chisaron kis. Chazon Ovadia v. 3 p. 57 cites the Chazon Ish 47:11, Or Letzion 2:26:4 who same at the same should apply. However, the Taz 311:5 and Tosefet Shabbat 308:23 imply otherwise. Pri Megadim M”Z 4 has a doubt about this. Chazon Ovadia concludes that one should be strict.</ref> | # Some say that it is permitted to move muktzeh machmat chisaron kis by placing something permitted on top of it, however, most hold that this is forbidden.<ref>Rosh 22:8:4 writes that it is permitted to move any kli shemelachto lisur if you place upon it something permitted such as a piece of bread. That solution doesn’t work for real muktzeh but does work for any kli. Rabbi Akiva Eiger 305:7 suggests that the same should apply to muktzeh machmat chisaron kis. Chazon Ovadia v. 3 p. 57 cites the Chazon Ish 47:11, Or Letzion 2:26:4 who same at the same should apply. However, the Taz 311:5 and Tosefet Shabbat 308:23 imply otherwise. Pri Megadim M”Z 4 has a doubt about this. Chazon Ovadia concludes that one should be strict.</ref> | ||
# It is permitted to move muktzeh machmat chisaron kis with one's body like all muktzeh.<ref>Pri Megadim M"Z 308 introduction points out that the Bet Yosef in his introduction to 308 implies that the leniencies of all of muktzeh such as moving it with one's body or tiltul min hasad don't apply to muktzeh machmat chisaron kis. [http://www.hebrewbooks.org/pdfpager.aspx?req=41315&st=&pgnum=119 Tehilah LDovid 308:2] disagrees with this understanding of the Bet Yosef and is lenient. Imrei Shem pp. 111-122 (R' Refaeli Mordechai Eliyahu) defends the Pri Megadim.</ref> | |||
# Tiltul min hasad is permitted for muktzeh machmat chisaron kis like all other muktzeh.<ref> Pri Megadim M"Z 309:2 writes that according to the Bet Yosef there is no leniency of tiltul min hasad for muktzeh machmat chisaron kis. [http://www.hebrewbooks.org/pdfpager.aspx?req=41315&st=&pgnum=119 Tehillah LDovid 308:2] and Tosefet Shabbat 308:3 disagree. Kaf Hachaim 308:10 is lenient. Imrei Shem pp. 111-122 (R' Refaeli Mordechai Eliyahu) defends the Pri Megadim.</ref> | |||
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