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* The Dagul Meirvavah 340 argues that eating the cake should be permitted, since it is only a psik reisha of a rabbinic prohibition that anyway is being done in an abnormal way. He asserts that breaking letters on a cake is an abnormal way of [[erasing]], and certainly breaking the letters in one’s mouth is unusual. Rav Ovadia Yosef (Yabia Omer O.C. 4:38) adds that it should be permitted because it is only a psik riesha d’lo nicha lei on a rabbinic prohibition. Rav Mordechai Willig (“Hilchos [[Shabbos]] - Kotev/Mocheik #2,” min 39-43), however, argues that there is room to distinguish between a gezeirah, where psik riesha d’lo nicha lei may apply, and an action that is only d’rabanan because of a general principle, such as doing something in a destructive manner, where such a leniency doesn’t apply.  
* The Dagul Meirvavah 340 argues that eating the cake should be permitted, since it is only a psik reisha of a rabbinic prohibition that anyway is being done in an abnormal way. He asserts that breaking letters on a cake is an abnormal way of [[erasing]], and certainly breaking the letters in one’s mouth is unusual. Rav Ovadia Yosef (Yabia Omer O.C. 4:38) adds that it should be permitted because it is only a psik riesha d’lo nicha lei on a rabbinic prohibition. Rav Mordechai Willig (“Hilchos [[Shabbos]] - Kotev/Mocheik #2,” min 39-43), however, argues that there is room to distinguish between a gezeirah, where psik riesha d’lo nicha lei may apply, and an action that is only d’rabanan because of a general principle, such as doing something in a destructive manner, where such a leniency doesn’t apply.  
* The Taz 340:2 also permits because the letters are being broken for the purpose of eating, a leniency found regarding to [[Borer]] and [[Tochen]]. The Chazon Ish (O.C. 61), however, answers that since chewing and eating always involve [[Borer]] and [[Tochen]] it is permitted even immediately prior to eating. No such permission was given in the context of [[erasing]].
* The Taz 340:2 also permits because the letters are being broken for the purpose of eating, a leniency found regarding to [[Borer]] and [[Tochen]]. The Chazon Ish (O.C. 61), however, answers that since chewing and eating always involve [[Borer]] and [[Tochen]] it is permitted even immediately prior to eating. No such permission was given in the context of [[erasing]].
* Kitzur S”A 80:63 and Aruch HaShulchan 340:23 are lenient, while the Mishna Brurah 340:17, Chazon Ish 61:1, and Shemirat [[Shabbat]] Kehilchata 11:7 permit only breaking the letters in one’s mouth, not cutting them with one’s hands prior to eating. Rabbi Zvi Sobolofsky (“Hilchos [[Shabbos]] Series Mocheik Removing Letters from a cake” min 15-6) states that the minhag to be strict for the Rama is only a chumra.  
* Kitzur S”A 80:63 and Aruch HaShulchan 340:23 are lenient, while the Mishna Brurah 340:17, Chazon Ish 61:1, and Shemirat [[Shabbat]] Kehilchata 11:7 permit only breaking the letters in one’s mouth, not cutting them with one’s hands prior to eating. Rabbi Zvi Sobolofsky ([http://www.yutorah.org/lectures/lecture.cfm/718778/Rabbi_Zvi_Sobolofsky/_Hilchos_Shabbos_Series_Mocheik_-_Removing_Letterss_from_a_cake “Hilchos [[Shabbos]] Series Mocheik Removing Letters from a cake”] min 15-6) states that the minhag to be strict for the Rama is only a chumra.  
* See further: Sh”t Tzitz Eliezer 11:20, Sh”t Beir Moshe 6:92, Sh”t Az Nidabru 10:8, Sh”t Vayeshev Moshe 1:4 </ref> Sephardim may be lenient. <ref> Sh"t Or Litzion 2:40, Sh”t Yabia Omer O”C 4:38, [https://www.dailyhalacha.com/Display.asp?ClipDate=12/24/2006 Rabbi Eli Mansour] </ref>
* See further: Sh”t Tzitz Eliezer 11:20, Sh”t Beir Moshe 6:92, Sh”t Az Nidabru 10:8, Sh”t Vayeshev Moshe 1:4 </ref> Sephardim may be lenient. <ref> Sh"t Or Litzion 2:40, Sh”t Yabia Omer O”C 4:38, [https://www.dailyhalacha.com/Display.asp?ClipDate=12/24/2006 Rabbi Eli Mansour] </ref>
# Even for those who are strict it is permitted to cut between letters even if that destroys the word, <ref> Rav Shlomo Zalman Auerbach in Shemirat [[Shabbat]] Kihilchita 9: footnote 38 </ref> if the letters are baked into the cake itself <ref> Mishna Berura 340:15, Sh"t Har Tzvi 214, Sh"t Or Litzion 2:40 </ref>, or if the cake was cut before [[Shabbat]] and one simply wants to separate the pieces. <ref> Rav Shlomo Zalman Auerbach in Shemirat [[Shabbat]] Kihilchita 11: footnote 30 </ref>
# Even for those who are strict it is permitted to cut between letters even if that destroys the word, <ref> Rav Shlomo Zalman Auerbach in Shemirat [[Shabbat]] Kihilchita 9: footnote 38 </ref> if the letters are baked into the cake itself <ref> Mishna Berura 340:15, Sh"t Har Tzvi 214, Sh"t Or Litzion 2:40 </ref>, or if the cake was cut before [[Shabbat]] and one simply wants to separate the pieces. <ref> Rav Shlomo Zalman Auerbach in Shemirat [[Shabbat]] Kihilchita 11: footnote 30 </ref>
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==Letters on a Package==
==Letters on a Package==
# The Ashkenazic custom is to avoid [[ripping]] letters when opening a package on [[Shabbat]], while the Sephardic custom is to be lenient in this issue. <Ref> Shemirat [[Shabbat]] Kehilchata 9:13 (quoting Rav Shlomo Zalman Auerbach) rules it is only rabbinically forbidden to rip through letters when opening a package, as is not considered [[erasing]] in order to write.  
# The Ashkenazic custom is to avoid [[ripping]] letters when opening a package on [[Shabbat]], while the Sephardic custom is to be lenient in this issue. <Ref> Shemirat [[Shabbat]] Kehilchata 9:13 (quoting Rav Shlomo Zalman Auerbach) rules it is only rabbinically forbidden to rip through letters when opening a package, as is not considered [[erasing]] in order to write.  
* Rabbi Zvi Sobolofsky (“Hilchos [[Shabbos]] Series Mocheik Removing Letters from a cake” min 18) explains that strictly speaking, it should be permitted to tear through letters for the same reasons that the Dagul Meirvavah permitted cutting letters on a cake. The minhag, though, is to be strict. Yalkut Yosef ([[Shabbat]] vol 5, p. 117) permits tearing through letters because it is a psik reisha d’lo nicha lei on a rabbinic prohibition. </ref>
* Rabbi Zvi Sobolofsky ([http://www.yutorah.org/lectures/lecture.cfm/718778/Rabbi_Zvi_Sobolofsky/_Hilchos_Shabbos_Series_Mocheik_-_Removing_Letterss_from_a_cake “Hilchos [[Shabbos]] Series Mocheik Removing Letters from a cake”] min 18) explains that strictly speaking, it should be permitted to tear through letters for the same reasons that the Dagul Meirvavah permitted cutting letters on a cake. The minhag, though, is to be strict. Yalkut Yosef ([[Shabbat]] vol 5, p. 117) permits tearing through letters because it is a psik reisha d’lo nicha lei on a rabbinic prohibition. </ref>
==Removing Wax on Top of Letters==
==Removing Wax on Top of Letters==
# If ink or wax fell on writing one should not erase the ink or wax because that would be [[erasing]] in order to write. <Ref> Mishna Brurah 340:10 </ref>
# If ink or wax fell on writing one should not erase the ink or wax because that would be [[erasing]] in order to write. <Ref> Mishna Brurah 340:10 </ref>