Milk and Meat in the Kitchen: Difference between revisions
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# If the food in the pot is meat then that makes the pot and the cover absorb taste of meat immediately even if it wasn't used within 24 hours for other meat. The same is true of milk.<ref>Shulchan Aruch Y.D. 93:1</ref> | # If the food in the pot is meat then that makes the pot and the cover absorb taste of meat immediately even if it wasn't used within 24 hours for other meat. The same is true of milk.<ref>Shulchan Aruch Y.D. 93:1</ref> | ||
# The same is true whether or not the cover was hot as long as the pot was hot.<ref>Rama 93:1</ref> | # The same is true whether or not the cover was hot as long as the pot was hot.<ref>Rama 93:1</ref> | ||
# Some say that we can't assume a pot cover that we're unsure if it was used within 24 hours that is considered eino ben yomo.<ref>Darkei Teshuva 93:25 citing the Yavetz</ref> | |||
====Hot Cover on Cold Pot==== | ====Hot Cover on Cold Pot==== | ||
# If one accidentally placed a hot cover on a cold pot, some say that the food, the pot and the cover are all still kosher.<ref>Rama 93:1</ref> Other poskim hold that the pot needs to be koshered.<ref>Shach 93:6, Pri Chadash 93:9</ref> | # If one accidentally placed a hot cover on a cold pot, some say that the food, the pot and the cover are all still kosher.<ref>Rama 93:1</ref> Other poskim hold that the pot needs to be koshered.<ref>Shach 93:6, Pri Chadash 93:9</ref> | ||
====Cold Cover on Hot Pot==== | ====Cold Cover on Hot Pot==== | ||
# If someone accidentally places a cold cover on a hot pot, and it was left there for a while it is treated like we treat a hot cover on a hot pot, described above.<ref>Rama 93:1</ref> | # If someone accidentally places a cold cover on a hot pot, and it was left there for a while it is treated like we treat a hot cover on a hot pot, described above.<ref>Rama 93:1</ref> | ||
====Chumra of Non-Ben Yomo Lids==== | |||
# In the Ashkenazi rishonim<ref>Hagahot Shaarei Dura 35:5. However, see Iser Vheter 31:20 who assumes otherwise.</ref> there was a minhag to be strict on all lids to treat them as though they are ben yomo even if they are certainly eino ben yomo. Some try to provide justification for the minhag but ultimately it is a difficult minhag to explain.<Ref>See Darkei Moshe 93:2, Kereti 93:6, and Masat Binyamin 58 who give explanations for the minhag.</ref> Although the Rama 93:1 tried to abolish the minhag,<ref>The Pri Chadash 93:5 writes that the truth is that there's no basis for the minhag and it should be abolished. Levush 93:1 also rules entirely against this minhag.</ref> nonetheless, in his notes to Shulchan Aruch he writes that some have this minhag. He adds that if there are any other factors to be lenient in this case one can be lenient so as not to add to this minhag which is difficult to begin with. | |||
# The Maharshal (Chullin 8:46:7) explains that the chumra (stringency) only applies to cover pots with a section that are hard to clean and so there could be actual food frosted on the inside of the lid that can't be cleaned and therefore it could forbid the food even when it is not ben yomo since food doesn't spoil by sitting out for 24 hours. Therefore, if one can be sure that the lid doesn't have any area that is hard to clean or had enough in the pot to nullify the food that could be stuck to that section of the cover the food is kosher. This approach is adopted by the overwhelming majority of poskim.<ref>Bear Hagolah 93:4, Shach 4, Taz 93:2, Gra 93:7, Pri Chadash 93:5, Badei Hashulchan 93:20, Madanei Hashulchan 93:12</ref> It follows that for the common modern pot covers this isn't an issue.<ref>For example, Laws of Kashrut p. 272 fnt. 37 doesn't cite this chumra at all other than in the footnote to see the Shach and Taz.</ref> | |||
# According to the chumra, some say it would apply to an eino ben yomo dairy cover placed on top of a meat pot that is cooking parve or the opposite,<ref>Badei Hashulchan 93:21</reF> while others say it wouldn't.<ref>Chamudei Doniel Tarovet 28, Darkei Teshuva 93:26, Madenei Hashulchan 93:12</ref> | |||
# It doesn't apply to anything besides a designated cover and not if you put a pot on top of another pot.<ref>Pitchei Teshuva 93:4 citing Bnei Chiya. See also Darkei Teshuva 93:23 regarding the dispute between the Knesset Hagedola and Chamudei Doniel.</ref> | |||
# Some say that after two months certainly the pot lids have the status of eino ben yomo.<ref>Pitchei Teshuva 93:3 cting the Shvut Yakov 1:21</ref> | |||
# If there is an area that is hard to clean and we assume that there's some food that collected there, some say that it is neccessary to have 60 times that area to nullify it, while others say you need 3600 times that area to nullify it.<ref>Taz 93:2 writes that it is sufficient to have 60 times the area, while the Shach 93:4 says you need 3660 times the area since that food stuck there becomes forbidden in it of itself (chanan). Darkei Teshuva 93:21 cites the Minchat Yitchak 16b who makes a compromise. If the lid was placed on the pot before it started to steam up one should be strict, however, if the pot was already boiling when the lid was placed on then one could follow the Taz.</ref> | |||
==Food that was on the Table== | ==Food that was on the Table== | ||
