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* Alternatively, Raavad suggested that natan seah vnatal seah only applies if you actively remove water and not if the rainwater flows out by itself.</ref> | * Alternatively, Raavad suggested that natan seah vnatal seah only applies if you actively remove water and not if the rainwater flows out by itself.</ref> | ||
#If sheuvim is poured into a complete mikveh, some rishonim say that the sheuvim water remains sheuvim as long as the sheuvim stayed in one place. Once they got mixed around in the mikveh they become like mikveh water.<ref>Gemara Macot 4a states that if a barrel of sheuvim water falls into an ocean and someone is tovel there, they're tameh like someone who bathed in 3 lugin of sheuvim. The rishonim wonder why the sheuvim water isn't made kosher because of zeriya. | #If sheuvim is poured into a complete mikveh, some rishonim say that the sheuvim water remains sheuvim as long as the sheuvim stayed in one place. Once they got mixed around in the mikveh they become like mikveh water.<ref>Gemara Macot 4a states that if a barrel of sheuvim water falls into an ocean and someone is tovel there, they're tameh like someone who bathed in 3 lugin of sheuvim. The rishonim wonder why the sheuvim water isn't made kosher because of zeriya. | ||
* Rabbi Moshe Hadarshan (cited by Ritva 4a s.v. vhanachon) answers that fresh water and salt water don't mix and so zeriya is ineffective. | *Rabbi Moshe Hadarshan (cited by Ritva 4a s.v. vhanachon) answers that fresh water and salt water don't mix and so zeriya is ineffective. Kehilat Yakov (Macot 5) argues that Rambam agrees with Rabbi Moshe Hadarshan. | ||
*Raavan 28 answers that the gemara discussing someone who was tovel there immediately after the sheuvim fell in. That's why there's a concern that the sheuvim are still in one place and retain the status of sheuvim. However, after a half hour or hour the sheuvim get mixed up with the rest of the ocean and are no longer considered sheuvim. Kesef Mishna (Hilchot Mikvaot 6:10) agrees. He says that when pouring sheuvim into a mikveh it gets mixed right away. In Macot, it didn't get mixed right away since the water seeped out of a barrel that fell into the ocean. | *Raavan 28 answers that the gemara discussing someone who was tovel there immediately after the sheuvim fell in. That's why there's a concern that the sheuvim are still in one place and retain the status of sheuvim. However, after a half hour or hour the sheuvim get mixed up with the rest of the ocean and are no longer considered sheuvim. Kesef Mishna (Hilchot Mikvaot 6:10) agrees. He says that when pouring sheuvim into a mikveh it gets mixed right away. In Macot, it didn't get mixed right away since the water seeped out of a barrel that fell into the ocean. | ||
* Tosfot (Macot 4a s.v. amar) explains that the correct text of the gemara should read that it is a barrel of wine and so there's no question about sheuvim at all.</ref> | *Tosfot (Macot 4a s.v. amar) explains that the correct text of the gemara should read that it is a barrel of wine and so there's no question about sheuvim at all.</ref> | ||
#If sheuvim is poured into a complete mikveh and then the sheuvim water flowed into another mikveh, some rishonim hold that the sheuvim water is still kosher as a mikveh.<ref>[https://beta.hebrewbooks.org/reader/reader.aspx?sfid=20319#p=93&fitMode=fitwidth&hlts=&ocr= Rabbenu Yerucham (225d)] cited by Bet Yosef 201:15</ref> Others hold that after the zeriya water flowed into another mikveh they're no longer kosher. It is good to be strict for this view.<ref>Shach 201:41</ref> | #If sheuvim is poured into a complete mikveh and then the sheuvim water flowed into another mikveh, some rishonim hold that the sheuvim water is still kosher as a mikveh.<ref>[https://beta.hebrewbooks.org/reader/reader.aspx?sfid=20319#p=93&fitMode=fitwidth&hlts=&ocr= Rabbenu Yerucham (225d)] cited by Bet Yosef 201:15</ref> Others hold that after the zeriya water flowed into another mikveh they're no longer kosher. It is good to be strict for this view.<ref>Shach 201:41</ref> | ||
#Chatom Sofer YD 2:211 s.v. v'l'inyan distinguishes between zeriya of water into other water and just connecting them through hashaka. | #Chatom Sofer YD 2:211 s.v. v'l'inyan distinguishes between zeriya of water into other water and just connecting them through hashaka. | ||
