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Why is natan seah vnatal seah an issue? Bet Yosef 201:24 explains that the Rambam held that such a mikveh is invalid lest someone seeing this thinks that one can use a completely drawn mikveh. This is supported by the Ramban (Bava Batra 65b s.v. v’iy kasha) and Ran (Bava Batra 66b s.v. leolam). Ran writes that it is only an issue of marit ayin, but the fundamentally it is fine if the rain water depletes. The Divrei Chaim 201:20 argues that the Raavad held it is an invalidation since the original rainwater must remain at all times. Certain leniencies can be extrapolated from the Bet Yosef since the concern is only of onlookers. See Chatom Sofer 214. Har Tzvi 176 held like the Bet Yosef. Chelkat Binyamin 201:377 writes that Bet Yosef’s explanation is primary. Gidulei Tahara 26 writes that it is biblically invalid. Shevet Halevi 4:121 argues that it is only a rabbinic issue even according to the Raavad. Maharsham 1:135 agrees. | Why is natan seah vnatal seah an issue? Bet Yosef 201:24 explains that the Rambam held that such a mikveh is invalid lest someone seeing this thinks that one can use a completely drawn mikveh. This is supported by the Ramban (Bava Batra 65b s.v. v’iy kasha) and Ran (Bava Batra 66b s.v. leolam). Ran writes that it is only an issue of marit ayin, but the fundamentally it is fine if the rain water depletes. The Divrei Chaim 201:20 argues that the Raavad held it is an invalidation since the original rainwater must remain at all times. Certain leniencies can be extrapolated from the Bet Yosef since the concern is only of onlookers. See Chatom Sofer 214. Har Tzvi 176 held like the Bet Yosef. Chelkat Binyamin 201:377 writes that Bet Yosef’s explanation is primary. Gidulei Tahara 26 writes that it is biblically invalid. Shevet Halevi 4:121 argues that it is only a rabbinic issue even according to the Raavad. Maharsham 1:135 agrees. | ||
* Igrot Moshe YD 1:119 disagrees with the Chatom Sofer. He writes that natan seah and natal seah isn’t necessarily solved with putting in water through a pipe and having it flow out since it doesn’t look like it isn’t leaving. Firstly, it could be that the gezerah was in all cases and secondly, according to the Raavad it is problem intrinsically of removing the original rainwater.</ref> | * Igrot Moshe YD 1:119 disagrees with the Chatom Sofer. He writes that natan seah and natal seah isn’t necessarily solved with putting in water through a pipe and having it flow out since it doesn’t look like it isn’t leaving. Firstly, it could be that the gezerah was in all cases and secondly, according to the Raavad it is problem intrinsically of removing the original rainwater.</ref> | ||
# Some say that the issue of natan seah vnatal seah is solved by having water | # Some say that the issue of natan seah vnatal seah is solved by having water flow along the ground (''hamshacha'') for 3 tefachim before it enters the mikveh.<ref>Igrot Moshe YD 1:111 and 1:119 writes that one can use hamshacha even initially to pour water into a mikveh and even if water will flow out that wouldn’t be considered natan seah vnatal seah at all since hamshacha converts the water. However, Raavad 1:5 and Tashbetz 1:17 and 3:12 are clear that hamshacha doesn't solve this issue of natan seah vnatal seah. Birkei Yosef 201:44 quotes the Tashbetz about this. Rav Moshe disagrees with Tashbetz and Birkei Yosef.</ref> | ||
# Some say that the issue of natan seah vnatal seah is solved by having a temporary hashaka.<ref>Igrot Moshe YD 2:94, Divrei Chaim CM 1:37, Maharshag YD 65-66</ref> Others hold that this doesn't solve anything.<ref>Divrei Chayim (Mikvaot seif 20 in fnt. 20) writes that Raavad holds like Rabbenu Yerucham. Tzemech Tzedek (responsa 171), Rav Moshe Bick (Taharat Yom Tov 8:27), and Satmer Rebbe (Taharat Yom Tov 8:27) agree.</ref> | # Some say that the issue of natan seah vnatal seah is solved by having a temporary hashaka.<ref>Igrot Moshe YD 2:94, Divrei Chaim CM 1:37, Maharshag YD 65-66</ref> Others hold that this doesn't solve anything.<ref>Divrei Chayim (Mikvaot seif 20 in fnt. 20) writes that Raavad holds like Rabbenu Yerucham. Tzemech Tzedek (responsa 171), Rav Moshe Bick (Taharat Yom Tov 8:27), and Satmer Rebbe (Taharat Yom Tov 8:27) agree.</ref> | ||
# Some say that the issue of natan seah vnatal seah is solved by pouring in hot water on top of cold water and only removing the hot water from on top.<ref>Chatom Sofer YD 214</ref> | |||
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