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=== Two borot using zeriya === | === Two borot using zeriya === | ||
[[Image:Mikva_two_borot_zeriya.png|right|300px|Two borot (Chatom Sofer, Chazon Ish)]] | |||
# Chatom Sofer 214 holds that the best way to make a mikveh is to use zeriya. The benefit is that hashaka with sheuvim is questionable (Tosfot Rid and Kesef Mishna) and zeriya is firmly established. Another positive is that there’s no question of fulfilling the opinion of [https://beta.hebrewbooks.org/reader/reader.aspx?sfid=11651#p=437&fitMode=fitwidth&hlts=&ocr= Rabbenu Yerucham (26:5 226a)] to have continuous hashaka. The downside of such an approach is natan seah vnatal seah (Rambam and Raavad against Rash and Rosh) and that is solved since there’s no obvious act of taking away water (Ramban, Bet Yosef). The Divrei Chaim disputes this point and shows that the Raavad would invalidate the mikveh because of natan seah vnatal seah even if it isn’t evident. Chazon Ish held you should just do zeriya. | # Chatom Sofer 214 holds that the best way to make a mikveh is to use zeriya. The benefit is that hashaka with sheuvim is questionable (Tosfot Rid and Kesef Mishna) and zeriya is firmly established. Another positive is that there’s no question of fulfilling the opinion of [https://beta.hebrewbooks.org/reader/reader.aspx?sfid=11651#p=437&fitMode=fitwidth&hlts=&ocr= Rabbenu Yerucham (26:5 226a)] to have continuous hashaka. The downside of such an approach is natan seah vnatal seah (Rambam and Raavad against Rash and Rosh) and that is solved since there’s no obvious act of taking away water (Ramban, Bet Yosef). The Divrei Chaim disputes this point and shows that the Raavad would invalidate the mikveh because of natan seah vnatal seah even if it isn’t evident. Chazon Ish held you should just do zeriya. | ||
## Maharshag YD 65 defends Chatom Sofer about problems of natan seah vnatal seah. He suggests doing zeriya into pit two and spill over into tevilah pit then hashaka once with pristine hashaka bor. He says that the issue of natan seah doesn’t apply to the tevilah bor since the drawn water was added to the other pit and only overflowed there. | ## Maharshag YD 65 defends Chatom Sofer about problems of natan seah vnatal seah. He suggests doing zeriya into pit two and spill over into tevilah pit then hashaka once with pristine hashaka bor. He says that the issue of natan seah doesn’t apply to the tevilah bor since the drawn water was added to the other pit and only overflowed there. | ||
## Mishna Halachot 10:146 said that zeriya in second pit is only effective if it is first still and then spilled over. Cheshev Sofer YD 13 said that was the minhag to do. | ## Mishna Halachot 10:146 said that zeriya in second pit is only effective if it is first still and then spilled over. Cheshev Sofer YD 13 said that was the minhag to do. | ||
## Satmer Rav in Divrei Yoel 69 said you can do zeriya with bor al gabi bor and have it overflow into bor tevilah. Mishna Halachot 10:146 said it is pasul since the katafras makes it not connected to a mikveh and zochlin is invalid for zeriya so both mikvehs become invalid. | ## Satmer Rav in Divrei Yoel 69 said you can do zeriya with bor al gabi bor and have it overflow into bor tevilah. Mishna Halachot 10:146 said it is pasul since the katafras makes it not connected to a mikveh and zochlin is invalid for zeriya so both mikvehs become invalid. | ||
## Igrot Moshe YD 2:94 writes that you shouldn’t just do zeriya because of natan seah vnatal seah. In Igrot Moshe 1:112 he writes that it isn't really necessary to be concerned for the Raavad and so this is kosher technically speaking. | ## Igrot Moshe YD 2:94 writes that you shouldn’t just do zeriya because of natan seah vnatal seah. In Igrot Moshe 1:112 he writes that it isn't really necessary to be concerned for the Raavad and so this is kosher technically speaking. | ||
=== Two borot using hashaka === | === Two borot using hashaka === | ||
