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# If the entirety of the mikveh or a majority<ref>It is clear from Rashbam (Bava Batra 66a s.v. leolam), Rash (Mikvaot 2:3), and Tosfot (Bava Batra 66a) that even those who hold sheuvim is deoritta agree that is only if the majority is sheuvim. However, Rabbenu Tam (Sefer Hayashar 671:6) holds that 3 lugin of sheuvim is deoritta from a halacha l'moshe m'sinai if it is added before any other water.Ramban (Bava Batra 66b s.v. shani) and Rosh (Mikvaot n. 1) also quote this from Rabbenu Tam. </ref> of it is sheuvim (drawn water) it is invalid. Some poskim hold that it is biblically invalid<ref>Rabbenu Tam (Tosfot Pesachim 17b, Bava Batra 66a s.v. leolam), Rashbam (Bava Batra 66a s.v. leolam), Rashi (Chagiga 11a s.v. bmayim and Pesachim 16a s.v. yeheyeh, as understood by Teshuvot Rid 1), Tosfot (Chagiga 11a s.v. bmey), Rosh (Mikvaot n. 1), Tur 201:3, Rama Y.D. 201:3</ref> and others hold that it is only rabbinically invalid.<ref>Ri (Tosfot Pesachim 17b s.v. elah), Rambam Mikvaot 4:2 (as understood by Kesef Mishna, Kriyat Sefer, and Ran Bava Batra 66b), and Ramban (Bava Batra 66b s.v. shani) explaining the Rif and Geonim. Rivash 294 implies sheuvim is derabbanan. Rabbenu Gershom (Bava Batra 66b) quotes both opinions if it is deoritta or not. | # If the entirety of the mikveh or a majority<ref>It is clear from Rashbam (Bava Batra 66a s.v. leolam), Rash (Mikvaot 2:3), and Tosfot (Bava Batra 66a) that even those who hold sheuvim is deoritta agree that is only if the majority is sheuvim. However, Rabbenu Tam (Sefer Hayashar 671:6) holds that 3 lugin of sheuvim is deoritta from a halacha l'moshe m'sinai if it is added before any other water.Ramban (Bava Batra 66b s.v. shani) and Rosh (Mikvaot n. 1) also quote this from Rabbenu Tam. </ref> of it is sheuvim (drawn water) it is invalid. Some poskim hold that it is biblically invalid<ref>Rabbenu Tam (Tosfot Pesachim 17b, Bava Batra 66a s.v. leolam), Rashbam (Bava Batra 66a s.v. leolam), Rashi (Chagiga 11a s.v. bmayim and Pesachim 16a s.v. yeheyeh, as understood by Teshuvot Rid 1), Tosfot (Chagiga 11a s.v. bmey), Rosh (Mikvaot n. 1), Tur 201:3, Rama Y.D. 201:3</ref> and others hold that it is only rabbinically invalid.<ref>Ri (Tosfot Pesachim 17b s.v. elah), Rambam Mikvaot 4:2 (as understood by Kesef Mishna, Kriyat Sefer, and Ran Bava Batra 66b), and Ramban (Bava Batra 66b s.v. shani) explaining the Rif and Geonim. Rivash 294 implies sheuvim is derabbanan. Rabbenu Gershom (Bava Batra 66b) quotes both opinions if it is deoritta or not. | ||
* A major part of this discussion is how to understand the Torat Kohanim which invalidates a mikveh filled up with water drawn on one's shoulder. (1) Rash (Mikvaot 2:3) writes that those who hold that sheuvim is derabbanan hold that the Torat Kohanim is just an asmachta. (2) Rabbenu Tam (Tosfot Bava Batra 66a) who holds that sheuvim is deoritta holds that this Torat Kohanim is discussing sheuvim. (3) Raavad (cited by Ramban b"b 66b) holds that the Torat Kohanim invalidates tefisat yedey adam on a Torah level. | * A major part of this discussion is how to understand the Torat Kohanim which invalidates a mikveh filled up with water drawn on one's shoulder. (1) Rash (Mikvaot 2:3) writes that those who hold that sheuvim is derabbanan hold that the Torat Kohanim is just an asmachta. (2) Rabbenu Tam (Tosfot Bava Batra 66a) who holds that sheuvim is deoritta holds that this Torat Kohanim is discussing sheuvim. (3) Raavad (cited by Ramban b"b 66b) holds that the Torat Kohanim invalidates tefisat yedey adam on a Torah level. Raavad in Baalei Hanefesh 3:4 quotes this opinion but in later editions of Baalei Hanefesh rejects it. In [https://beta.hebrewbooks.org/reader/reader.aspx?sfid=14483#p=115&fitMode=fitwidth the 5720 version of Baalei Hanefesh], that opinion is not omitted altogether. | ||
*Netsiv (Emek Sheylah 96 s.v. v'iy amshechinun) writes that he thinks that Shiltot holds sheuvim is derabbanan</ref> | *Netsiv (Emek Sheylah 96 s.v. v'iy amshechinun) writes that he thinks that Shiltot holds sheuvim is derabbanan</ref> | ||
##Some rishonim think that it is biblically invalid if it is filled up with water that was drawn with a kli that are susceptible to tumah or a person's kli that is susceptible to tumah and only rabbinically invalid if it is filled up with water that was drawn in a kli that isn’t susceptible to tumah.<ref>Rash Mikavot 2:3 writes that if the water was drawn by something that's susceptible to tumah it is biblically invalid based on Zevachim 25b. However, if it was filled with kelim that aren't susceptible to tumah it is only rabbinically invalid. Yad Ramah b"b 66b agrees. However, in Tosfot (Bava Batra 66a s.v. leolam) agrees with Rabbenu Tam that sheuvim is deoritta. Shaarei Mikavot (Shaar Hatziyun 4) writes that the Lechem Vsimla think that the Rash retracted at the end, while the Radvaz and Minchat Yitzchak hold that the Rash didn’t retract. Rashba (Bava Batra 66b s.v. shani) quotes this Rash.</ref> | ##Some rishonim think that it is biblically invalid if it is filled up with water that was drawn with a kli that are susceptible to tumah or a person's kli that is susceptible to tumah and only rabbinically invalid if it is filled up with water that was drawn in a kli that isn’t susceptible to tumah.<ref>Rash Mikavot 2:3 writes that if the water was drawn by something that's susceptible to tumah it is biblically invalid based on Zevachim 25b. However, if it was filled with kelim that aren't susceptible to tumah it is only rabbinically invalid. Yad Ramah b"b 66b agrees. However, in Tosfot (Bava Batra 66a s.v. leolam) agrees with Rabbenu Tam that sheuvim is deoritta. Shaarei Mikavot (Shaar Hatziyun 4) writes that the Lechem Vsimla think that the Rash retracted at the end, while the Radvaz and Minchat Yitzchak hold that the Rash didn’t retract. Rashba (Bava Batra 66b s.v. shani) quotes this Rash.</ref> | ||
