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#Some poskim allow eating meat leftovers on motzaei shabbat even during the [[nine days]] while some poskim say that it's prohibited. <ref> Shaare Teshuva 551:11 quotes the Birkei Yosef allowing one to eat leftover meat for melave malka but concludes himself that this is not the custom. See [http://www.dailyhalacha.com/m/halacha.aspx?id=950 Rabbi Mansour on Dailyhalacha.com] who quotes Rav Chayim Palachi in moed likol chai who says it is permissible and Chacham Bentzion Abba Shaul who says it is definitely preferable not to, especially if that is not that person's usual practice. Chelkat Yaakov 3:21 and Iggerot Moshe OC 4:21:4 both forbid it even for somebody who would usually eat it. [http://www.torah.org/advanced/weekly-halacha/5762/devarim.html Rabbi Daniel Neustadt on Torah.org] agrees. </ref> | #Some poskim allow eating meat leftovers on motzaei shabbat even during the [[nine days]] while some poskim say that it's prohibited. <ref> Shaare Teshuva 551:11 quotes the Birkei Yosef allowing one to eat leftover meat for melave malka but concludes himself that this is not the custom. See [http://www.dailyhalacha.com/m/halacha.aspx?id=950 Rabbi Mansour on Dailyhalacha.com] who quotes Rav Chayim Palachi in moed likol chai who says it is permissible and Chacham Bentzion Abba Shaul who says it is definitely preferable not to, especially if that is not that person's usual practice. Chelkat Yaakov 3:21 and Iggerot Moshe OC 4:21:4 both forbid it even for somebody who would usually eat it. [http://www.torah.org/advanced/weekly-halacha/5762/devarim.html Rabbi Daniel Neustadt on Torah.org] agrees. </ref> | ||
==When should one perform Melava Malka?== | ==When should one perform Melava Malka?== | ||
# There’s no obligation for having Malveh Malka on Motzei [[Yom Tov]]. <ref> Shemirat Shabbat KeHilchata 63:4 rules that there's no obligation to eat Melveh Malka on Yom Tov. See also Sh”t Rivivot Efraim 3:292 who writes that the Chazon Ish would have a Malveh Malka on Motzei Yom Tov. </ref> | # There’s no obligation for having Malveh Malka on Motzei [[Yom Tov]]. <ref> Shemirat Shabbat KeHilchata 63:4 rules that there's no obligation to eat Melveh Malka on [[Yom Tov]]. See also Sh”t Rivivot Efraim 3:292 who writes that the Chazon Ish would have a Malveh Malka on Motzei [[Yom Tov]]. </ref> | ||
# Melva Malka should be fulfilled as soon after [[Shabbat]] as possible. If one isn’t hungry one may have it later but shouldn’t do an established activity before having Melveh Malka. However, certainly one shouldn’t delay it past Chatzot of the night. However, if one did delay past Chatzot one may still fulfill it until [[Olot HaShachar]]. <Ref> Mishna Brurah 300:2 and Shemirat Shabbat KeHilchata 63: 5 write that Melveh Malka should be done right after [[Shabbat]] and shouldn’t do a established activity before Melvah Malka. However, they add, at least one should eat Melava Malka by Chatzot because the Shaare Teshuva 300:1 quotes the arizal that the holiness of shabbat only remains until chatzot. Nonetheless, Yalkut Yosef ([[Shabbat]] vol 1 pg 630) adds that if one didn’t do it before Chatzot one may still fulfill this mitzvah until [[Olot HaShachar]]. One of his proofs is from a story about the Gra in Tosefet Maaseh Rav (39). One time the Gra was sick on Saturday night and didn't eat Melava Malka, when he got somewhat better it was still before Olot Hashachar and so he ate Melava Malka. Kaf Hachayim 300:14 says it should lechatchila be eaten within four halachic hours of shabbat. </ref> | # Melva Malka should be fulfilled as soon after [[Shabbat]] as possible. If one isn’t hungry one may have it later but shouldn’t do an established activity before having Melveh Malka. However, certainly one shouldn’t delay it past Chatzot of the night. However, if one did delay past Chatzot one may still fulfill it until [[Olot HaShachar]]. <Ref> Mishna Brurah 300:2 and Shemirat Shabbat KeHilchata 63: 5 write that Melveh Malka should be done right after [[Shabbat]] and shouldn’t do a established activity before Melvah Malka. However, they add, at least one should eat Melava Malka by Chatzot because the Shaare Teshuva 300:1 quotes the arizal that the holiness of shabbat only remains until chatzot. Nonetheless, Yalkut Yosef ([[Shabbat]] vol 1 pg 630) adds that if one didn’t do it before Chatzot one may still fulfill this mitzvah until [[Olot HaShachar]]. One of his proofs is from a story about the Gra in Tosefet Maaseh Rav (39). One time the Gra was sick on Saturday night and didn't eat Melava Malka, when he got somewhat better it was still before Olot Hashachar and so he ate Melava Malka. Kaf Hachayim 300:14 says it should lechatchila be eaten within four halachic hours of shabbat. </ref> | ||
# If one extended his [[Seudat Shelishit]] until it got dark, some say that one is exempt from having Melveh Malka, and some argue. <Ref> Eliyah Rabba 300:1 writes that he heard that if [[Seudat Shelishit]] until it got dark one is exempt from having Melveh Malka. However, Tehillat David 300, Kaf HaChaim 300:11 disagree with this. </ref> | # If one extended his [[Seudat Shelishit]] until it got dark, some say that one is exempt from having Melveh Malka, and some argue. <Ref> Eliyah Rabba 300:1 writes that he heard that if [[Seudat Shelishit]] until it got dark one is exempt from having Melveh Malka. However, Tehillat David 300, Kaf HaChaim 300:11 disagree with this. </ref> | ||
