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* [The Bet Yosef 114:6 asks why the Tur regarding Mashiv HaRuach rules like the Ravyah while regarding Atta Chonatanu he quotes the Rosh who argues. The Bet Yosef answers that the Rosh and Tur hold that regarding insertions which are necessary and if forgotten one would have to repeat [[Shemoneh Esrei]] one is permitted to add them before the next Bracha. However, insertions which don’t require one to repeat [[Shemoneh Esrei]] one shouldn’t insert them between one Bracha and the next. This differentiation is the basis for the ruling of S”A 114:6, 294:4, and 422:1 and is brought in the Mishna Brurah 114:32.] | * [The Bet Yosef 114:6 asks why the Tur regarding Mashiv HaRuach rules like the Ravyah while regarding Atta Chonatanu he quotes the Rosh who argues. The Bet Yosef answers that the Rosh and Tur hold that regarding insertions which are necessary and if forgotten one would have to repeat [[Shemoneh Esrei]] one is permitted to add them before the next Bracha. However, insertions which don’t require one to repeat [[Shemoneh Esrei]] one shouldn’t insert them between one Bracha and the next. This differentiation is the basis for the ruling of S”A 114:6, 294:4, and 422:1 and is brought in the Mishna Brurah 114:32.] | ||
* [The Mordechai (Tanit Siman 614) explains that after one adds Mashiv HaRuach UMorid HaGeshem one shouldn’t repeat the conclusion of the Bracha (Baruch Atta Hashem) just like the Bracha one makes if one forgot to say [[Yaaleh VeYavo]] on [[Rosh Chodesh]] in Birkat HaMazon and remembered right after Boneh Yerushalyim which doesn’t have a conclusion. | * [The Mordechai (Tanit Siman 614) explains that after one adds Mashiv HaRuach UMorid HaGeshem one shouldn’t repeat the conclusion of the Bracha (Baruch Atta Hashem) just like the Bracha one makes if one forgot to say [[Yaaleh VeYavo]] on [[Rosh Chodesh]] in [[Birkat HaMazon]] and remembered right after Boneh Yerushalyim which doesn’t have a conclusion. | ||
** The Bet Yosef 114:6 asks on this comparison saying that [[Yaaleh VeYavo]] on [[Rosh Chodesh]] isn’t an obligation unlike Retzeh on [[Shabbat]] or [[Yaaleh VeYavo]] on [[Yom Tov]] which are obligations and if one forgets one is supposed to insert a Bracha with a conclusion. The Bet Yosef answers that Birkat HaMazon is different since Retzeh on [[Shabbat]] and [[Yaaleh VeYavo]] on [[Yom Tov]] are close to the end of the Bracha and so when it’s forgotten and requires to be inserted it deserves its own conclusion. | ** The Bet Yosef 114:6 asks on this comparison saying that [[Yaaleh VeYavo]] on [[Rosh Chodesh]] isn’t an obligation unlike Retzeh on [[Shabbat]] or [[Yaaleh VeYavo]] on [[Yom Tov]] which are obligations and if one forgets one is supposed to insert a Bracha with a conclusion. The Bet Yosef answers that [[Birkat HaMazon]] is different since Retzeh on [[Shabbat]] and [[Yaaleh VeYavo]] on [[Yom Tov]] are close to the end of the Bracha and so when it’s forgotten and requires to be inserted it deserves its own conclusion. | ||
** The Bet Yosef quotes the Maharam who gives another answer saying that it would be considered an interruption (hefsek) to add a Bracha between two Brachot of [[Shemoneh Esrei]], however, after Boneh Yerushalyim in Birkat HaMazon it’s not an interruption to add a Bracha because the primary part of Birkat HaMazon (the first three Brachot) is complete. | ** The Bet Yosef quotes the Maharam who gives another answer saying that it would be considered an interruption (hefsek) to add a Bracha between two Brachot of [[Shemoneh Esrei]], however, after Boneh Yerushalyim in [[Birkat HaMazon]] it’s not an interruption to add a Bracha because the primary part of [[Birkat HaMazon]] (the first three Brachot) is complete. | ||
* The S”A 114:6 rules like the Mordechai that one shouldn’t say any conclusion when adding an insertion between the Brachot of [[Shemoneh Esrei]].] </ref> | * The S”A 114:6 rules like the Mordechai that one shouldn’t say any conclusion when adding an insertion between the Brachot of [[Shemoneh Esrei]].] </ref> | ||
* remembered after having completed the Bracha and started the next Bracha, one has to repeat [[Shemoneh Esrei]]. <ref> Rabbi Chanina in Gemara Tanit (3b) says that if one forgot to say Morid HaGeshem in the winter months one must repeat [[Shemoneh Esrei]]. This is the ruling of the Rif (Tanit 1a), Rosh (Tanit 1:1), Rambam (Tefillah 10:8), Tur 114:5, and S”A 114:5. </ref> | * remembered after having completed the Bracha and started the next Bracha, one has to repeat [[Shemoneh Esrei]]. <ref> Rabbi Chanina in Gemara Tanit (3b) says that if one forgot to say Morid HaGeshem in the winter months one must repeat [[Shemoneh Esrei]]. This is the ruling of the Rif (Tanit 1a), Rosh (Tanit 1:1), Rambam (Tefillah 10:8), Tur 114:5, and S”A 114:5. </ref> | ||
