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# There’s a dispute whether the Shuir Seuda is 6 kezayitim or 8 kezayitim. Preferably, a person should eat less than 162 grams and make a Mezonot or eat more than 216 grams and make HaMotzei (it’s preferable to eat 230 grams). After the fact (if one ate between 162 and 216 grams) make Al HaMichya. Before eating 162 grams one should wash one’s hand without a Bracha. [No other foods add to the Shuir Seuda besides Pas HaBah Bekisnin.] <ref> Vezot HaBracha (Chapter 4 pg 37). The Bet Yosef in name of Shibolei HaLeket, Sefer Eshkol, Magan Avraham, Shagat Aryeh (quoted by Mishna Brurah (Shaar HaTzion 168:19)), Chaye Adam in name of the Gra, and Shulchan Aruch HaGra hold that the amount of Keviut Seudah depends on the amount people normally eat at a regular meal. However, the Birkei Yosef 186:4 and Kaf HaChaim 168:45 is to calculate the Keviut Seudah based on the amount needed for a Seduah by the laws of Eruv Chatzerot which is either 3 or 4 KeBaytzim. Kaf HaChaim 168:47 rules against the Magan Avraham 168:13 and says that S”A implies that one must be the amount of a meal from the Pat itself. </ref> | # There’s a dispute whether the Shuir Seuda is 6 kezayitim or 8 kezayitim. Preferably, a person should eat less than 162 grams and make a Mezonot or eat more than 216 grams and make HaMotzei (it’s preferable to eat 230 grams). After the fact (if one ate between 162 and 216 grams) make Al HaMichya. Before eating 162 grams one should wash one’s hand without a Bracha. [No other foods add to the Shuir Seuda besides Pas HaBah Bekisnin.] <ref> Vezot HaBracha (Chapter 4 pg 37). The Bet Yosef in name of Shibolei HaLeket, Sefer Eshkol, Magan Avraham, Shagat Aryeh (quoted by Mishna Brurah (Shaar HaTzion 168:19)), Chaye Adam in name of the Gra, and Shulchan Aruch HaGra hold that the amount of Keviut Seudah depends on the amount people normally eat at a regular meal. However, the Birkei Yosef 186:4 and Kaf HaChaim 168:45 is to calculate the Keviut Seudah based on the amount needed for a Seduah by the laws of Eruv Chatzerot which is either 3 or 4 KeBaytzim. Kaf HaChaim 168:47 rules against the Magan Avraham 168:13 and says that S”A implies that one must be the amount of a meal from the Pat itself. </ref> | ||
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# If one started the meal thinking that one was going to have 8 Kezayitim and then changed his mind and couldn’t finish all 8 Kezayitim, one may finish eating based on his orginal HaMotzei and concludes with a Al HaMichya. <ref> Sh”t Igrot Moshe O”C 2:54, Yalkut Yosef (Birkat HaMazon pg 137). </ref> | # If one started the meal thinking that one was going to have 8 Kezayitim and then changed his mind and couldn’t finish all 8 Kezayitim, one may finish eating based on his orginal HaMotzei and concludes with a Al HaMichya. <ref> Sh”t Igrot Moshe O”C 2:54, Yalkut Yosef (Birkat HaMazon pg 137). </ref> | ||
# If one made a Mezonot thinking that one was only going to have a few Kezayitim and then changed his mind to end up having 8 Kezayitim, if one plans on having another 8 Kezayitim one should stop and wash with a bracha and make HaMotzei. | # If one made a Mezonot thinking that one was only going to have a few Kezayitim and then changed his mind to end up having 8 Kezayitim, if one plans on having another 8 Kezayitim one should stop and wash with a bracha and make HaMotzei. | ||
# If one made Mezonot planning to have a few Kezyitim, and then changes to have another few Kezayitim and in total all he ate will add up to 8 Kezayitim one shouldn’t make any new bracha upon changing one’s mind, however, if one started thinking that one would not have more than a certain amount and now clearly changes his mind about that, one should make a new Mezonot. Nonetheless, one concludes with Birkat HaMazon. <ref> Mishan Brurah 168:25 writes that if one changed one’s mind one doesn’t make a new HaMotzei if one doesn’t plan on eating more than 8 Kezayitim. Mishna Brurah (Shaar Tzion 168:21) writes that one shouldn’t make a new Mezonot unless one clearly changed one’s mind such as if when he started he thought that he will not eat more than a certain amount, however, if one didn’t clearly retract his opinion then one doesn’t make a new Mezonot. </ref> | # If one made Mezonot planning to have a few Kezyitim, and then changes to have another few Kezayitim and in total all he ate will add up to 8 Kezayitim one shouldn’t make any new bracha upon changing one’s mind, however, if one started thinking that one would not have more than a certain amount and now clearly changes his mind about that, one should make a new Mezonot. Nonetheless, one concludes with Birkat HaMazon. <ref> Mishan Brurah 168:25 writes that if one changed one’s mind one doesn’t make a new HaMotzei if one doesn’t plan on eating more than 8 Kezayitim. Mishna Brurah (Shaar Tzion 168:21) writes that one shouldn’t make a new Mezonot unless one clearly changed one’s mind such as if when he started he thought that he will not eat more than a certain amount, however, if one didn’t clearly retract his opinion then one doesn’t make a new Mezonot. </ref> | ||
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==Keviut Seduah on Shabbat== | |||
#There’s no difference between Shabbat and the rest of the week regarding the status of the Pat habah BeKisnin. <ref> Kaf HaChaim 168:48. </ref> | |||
# If a Sephardi is eating at an Ashkenazic family who is having sweet challah for Hamotzei, ideally, one should eat 8 or at least 6 kezaytim of mezonot in order to be able to make HaMotzei and Birkat HaMazon, however, since that's usually very difficult there is what to rely on to make a HaMotzei and Birkat HaMazon even if one only eats a Kezayit of the sweet Challah. <ref> Vezot HaBracha (Chapter 4, pg 39) in name of Rav Mordechai Eliyahu and Rav Elyashiv paskening for Sephardim</ref> | |||
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