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# The following foods are called Tavshil Mezonot and even if one eats a Shuir Seuda one makes a Mezonot: Farina, oatmeal, noodles, rice, soup nuts, farfel, couscous, blintzes, kugel*, and wafers*. <Ref> Vezot HaBracha (Chapter 4, pg 26). There he mentions that majority of poskim hold that kugel is Tavshil Mezonot and similarly concerning wafers there’s some doubt in the poskim even though the primary halacha is that it’s Tavshil Mezonot. </ref> | # The following foods are called Tavshil Mezonot and even if one eats a Shuir Seuda one makes a Mezonot: Farina, oatmeal, noodles, rice, soup nuts, farfel, couscous, blintzes, kugel*, and wafers*. <Ref> Vezot HaBracha (Chapter 4, pg 26). There he mentions that majority of poskim hold that kugel is Tavshil Mezonot and similarly concerning wafers there’s some doubt in the poskim even though the primary halacha is that it’s Tavshil Mezonot. </ref> | ||
# There’s a doubt whether Pizza (specifically when it’s mixed with majority of fruit juices) and “mezonot” rolls are considered like bread or Pas HaBah Bekisnin, therefore, one should eat them in a meal. However, if that’s impossible, one has what to rely on to make a HaMotzei, and one has what to rely on to make a Mezonot. <Ref> Vezot HaBracha (Birur 56, pg 352) </ref> | # There’s a doubt whether Pizza (specifically when it’s mixed with majority of fruit juices) and “mezonot” rolls are considered like bread or Pas HaBah Bekisnin, therefore, one should eat them in a meal. However, if that’s impossible, one has what to rely on to make a HaMotzei, and one has what to rely on to make a Mezonot. <Ref> Vezot HaBracha (Birur 56, pg 352) </ref> | ||
# Pizza (which doesn’t have majority of fruit juices | # Pizza (which doesn’t have majority of fruit juices), Matzah, and French Toast have the status of bread and require HaMotzei. <Ref> Vezot HaBracha (Chapter 3, pg 20,21,23) </ref> | ||
===Shuir Seuda=== | ===Shuir Seuda=== | ||
# Someone who eats a Shuir Seuda of Pas HaBah Bekisnin must wash with a Bracha, make HaMotzei, and Birkat HaMazon. In terms of timing, all food that’s eaten during a meal is included as long as one kezayit of Pas HaBah Bekisnin is eaten within Kedi Achilat Pras (4 minutes). <Ref> S”A 168:6, Vezot HaBracha (Chapter 4, pg 27), Kaf HaCHaim and Sh”t Korban Eshe write that one needs to have all of the 4 Kebayitzim in one Kedi Achilat Pras. However, Yalkut Yosef (Birkat HaMazon pg 130) writes that the strict halacha only requires that one have one Kezayit in a Kedi Achilat Pras. </ref> | # Someone who eats a Shuir Seuda of Pas HaBah Bekisnin must wash with a Bracha, make HaMotzei, and Birkat HaMazon. In terms of timing, all food that’s eaten during a meal is included as long as one kezayit of Pas HaBah Bekisnin is eaten within Kedi Achilat Pras (4 minutes). <Ref> S”A 168:6, Vezot HaBracha (Chapter 4, pg 27), Kaf HaCHaim and Sh”t Korban Eshe write that one needs to have all of the 4 Kebayitzim in one Kedi Achilat Pras. However, Yalkut Yosef (Birkat HaMazon pg 130) writes that the strict halacha only requires that one have one Kezayit in a Kedi Achilat Pras. </ref> | ||
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# The following foods are called Tavshil Mezonot and even if one eats a Shuir Seuda one makes a Mezonot: Farina, oatmeal, noodles, rice, soup nuts, farfel, couscous, blintzes, kugel*, and wafers*. <Ref> Vezot HaBracha (Chapter 4, pg 26). There he mentions that majority of poskim hold that kugel is Tavshil Mezonot and similarly concerning wafers there’s some doubt in the poskim even though the primary halacha is that it’s Tavshil Mezonot. </ref> | # The following foods are called Tavshil Mezonot and even if one eats a Shuir Seuda one makes a Mezonot: Farina, oatmeal, noodles, rice, soup nuts, farfel, couscous, blintzes, kugel*, and wafers*. <Ref> Vezot HaBracha (Chapter 4, pg 26). There he mentions that majority of poskim hold that kugel is Tavshil Mezonot and similarly concerning wafers there’s some doubt in the poskim even though the primary halacha is that it’s Tavshil Mezonot. </ref> | ||
# Pizza when the dough is not made from water the Bracha is HaMotzei. When the dough is mixed with fruit juices (to the extent that one can taste the sweeteners) is Pas HaBah Bekisnin and one should make Mezonot. <Ref> Vezot HaBracha (Chapter 3, pg 22) </ref> | # Pizza when the dough is not made from water the Bracha is HaMotzei. When the dough is mixed with fruit juices (to the extent that one can taste the sweeteners) is Pas HaBah Bekisnin and one should make Mezonot. <Ref> Vezot HaBracha (Chapter 3, pg 22) </ref> | ||
# French Toast | # French Toast have the status of bread and require HaMotzei. <Ref> Vezot HaBracha (Chapter 3 pg 22) </ref> | ||
# The minhag is to make Mezonot and Al HaMichya on Matzah and the minhag has what to rely on. However, those who want to make HaMotzei when eaten as a meal (even without 216 grams) can do so. A Yireh Shamayim would eat it in a meal with real bread. <Ref> Vezot HaBracha (Chapter 3, pg 20), Yalkut Yosef (Kitzur S”A 168:4) </ref> | # The minhag is to make Mezonot and Al HaMichya on Matzah and the minhag has what to rely on. However, those who want to make HaMotzei when eaten as a meal (even without 216 grams) can do so. A Yireh Shamayim would eat it in a meal with real bread. <Ref> Vezot HaBracha (Chapter 3, pg 20), Yalkut Yosef (Kitzur S”A 168:4) </ref> | ||
=== Shuir Seuda=== | === Shuir Seuda=== | ||
