Making a meal on Mezonot: Difference between revisions

# French Toast (which is served in Chadar Ochel) have the status of bread and require HaMotzei. <Ref> Vezot HaBracha (Chapter 3 pg 22) </ref>

# The minhag is to make Mezonot and Al HaMichya on Matzah and the minhag has what to rely on. However, those who want to make HaMotzei when eaten as a meal (even without 216 grams) can do so. A Yireh Shamayim would eat it in a meal with real bread. <Ref> Vezot HaBracha (Chapter 3, pg 20), Yalkut Yosef (Kitzur S”A 168:4) </ref>

# Someone who eats a Shuir Seuda of Pas HaBah Bekisnin must wash without a Bracha, make HaMotzei, and Birkat HaMazon. In terms of timing, all food that’s eaten during a meal is included as long as one kezayit of Pas HaBah Bekisnin is eaten within Kedi Achilat Pras (4 minutes). [Those who wash with a Bracha have what to rely on.] <Ref> S”A 168:6, Vezot HaBracha (Chapter 4, pg 27), Yalkut Yosef (Kitzur S”A 168:8). Kaf HaCHaim and Sh”t Korban Eshe write that one needs to have all of the 4 Kebayitzim in one Kedi Achilat Pras. However, Yalkut Yosef (Birkat HaMazon pg 130) writes that the strict halacha only requires that one have one Kezayit in a Kedi Achilat Pras.  </ref>

# There’s a dispute whether the Shuir Seuda is 6 kezayitim or 8 kezayitim. Preferably, a person should eat less than 162 grams and make a Mezonot or eat more than 216 grams and make HaMotzei (it’s preferable to eat 230 grams). After the fact (if one ate between 162 and 216 grams) make Al HaMichya. Before eating 162 grams one should wash one’s hand without a Bracha. [No other foods add to the Shuir Seuda besides Pas HaBah Bekisnin.] <ref> Vezot HaBracha (Chapter 4 pg 37). The Bet Yosef in name of Shibolei HaLeket, Sefer Eshkol, Magan Avraham, Shagat Aryeh (quoted by Mishna Brurah (Shaar HaTzion 168:19)), Chaye Adam in name of the Gra, and Shulchan Aruch HaGra hold that the amount of Keviut Seudah depends on the amount people normally eat at a regular meal. However, the Birkei Yosef 186:4 and Kaf HaChaim 168:45 is to calculate the Keviut Seudah based on the amount needed for a Seduah by the laws of Eruv Chatzerot which is either 3 or 4 KeBaytzim. Kaf HaChaim 168:47 rules against the Magan Avraham 168:13 and says that S”A implies that one must be the amount of a meal from the Pat itself. </ref>

==Keviut Seduah on Shabbat==