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===Making Egg Salad, Tuna Salad, or Potato Salad===
===Making Egg Salad, Tuna Salad, or Potato Salad===
#When making salads with mayonnaise, such as egg salad or mayonnaise with vegetables (e.g. potato salad), one should first put in the mayonnaise and then the salad since that is different than the way one would do it during the week. Also, one should mix with a [[shinuy]] such as criss-cross and not in a circle.<ref>Or Letzion 2:33:3 writes that when making salad with mayonnaise one should first put in the mayonnaise and then the salad since that is different than the way one would do it during the week. Also, one should mix with a shinuy such as criss cross and not in a circle. [http://www.cckollel.org/parsha_encounters/5769/devarim_69.pdf Rabbi Langer (Chicago Kollel Devarim 5769)] cites Shemirat Shabbat Kehilchata 8:33 as holding that preferably a person should do both shinuyim when making egg or tuna salad.</ref> Some say that it isn't necessary to make a shinuy in the pouring.<ref>Orchot Shabbat 1:6:18 cites the Shevitat Hashabbat (Intro to Losh n. 6) who limits losh to water or liquids that permeate the solids to consolidate them and it wouldn't apply to thick fatty liquids such as mayonnaise. Orchot Shabbat is willing to rely on this opinion with respect to pour the ingredients together since anyway we really hold like the opinion that losh is violating by kneading and not pouring (Rabbi Yosi Bar Yehuda). He concludes that Rav Shlomo Zalman Auerbach liked this approach.</ref>
# To avoid all issues it’s preferable to make egg salad, tuna salad, potato salad, or salads with vegetables and mayonnaise before [[Shabbat]]. However, if one didn’t, one may do so on [[Shabbat]] in the following manner:<ref>Shemirat Shabbat Kehilchata 8:28</ref>
# To avoid all issues it’s preferable to make egg salad before [[Shabbat]]. However, if one didn’t, one may do so on [[Shabbat]] in the following manner: One may peel the eggs right before the meal and then mash them even with the prongs of a fork. Then peel the onions right before the meal and cut them in slightly large pieces and then mix them it. The minhag is to mix in oil without any variations, however, it’s proper to make above variations (in order of putting in ingredients and way of mixing). <Ref>Shemirat Shabbat KeHilchata (in new editions 8:28). [https://shulchanaruchharav.com/halacha/mixing-mayonnaise-with-tuna-or-egg-on-shabbos/ Rabbi Yakov Goldstein on shulchanaruchharov.com] writes that one should use a shinuy when making egg salad on Shabbat.</ref>
##Step 1: Peeling and Mashing Eggs: One may peel the eggs right before the meal and then mash them even with the prongs of a fork.<ref>Shemirat Shabbat Kehilchata 8:28</ref>
## One can mix in the cooked potatoes using the handle of a fork, or if the potatoes are very soft because of the [[cooking]] one may mix it with the prongs of the fork. <Ref>Shemirat Shabbat KeHilchata (in new editions 8:28) </ref>
##Step 2: Peeling and Cutting Onions: The onions should be peeled right before the meal and cut in slightly large pieces.<ref>Shemirat Shabbat Kehilchata 8:28</ref>
## If an egg shell got mixed into the salad one may only remove it together with a bit of other food, but preferably one shouldn’t remove the egg shell but just eat around it. <Ref>Shemirat Shabbat KeHilchata (in new editions 8:28) </ref> See [[Borer]].
##Step 3: Mashing the Potatoes: One can mix in the cooked potatoes using the handle of a fork, or if the potatoes are very soft because of the [[cooking]] one may mix it with the prongs of the fork. <Ref>Shemirat Shabbat KeHilchata 8:28 </ref>
##Step 4: Pouring in Ingredients: one should first put in the mayonnaise and then the salad since that is different than the way one would do it during the week.<ref>Or Letzion 2:33:3 writes that when making salad with mayonnaise one should first put in the mayonnaise and then the salad since that is different than the way one would do it during the week. Also, one should mix with a shinuy such as criss cross and not in a circle. Dor Hamelaktim v. 5 p. 2962 quotes Rav Moshe Feinstein (Mesoret Moshe v. 3 n. 208) as agreeing. Shemirat Shabbat Kehilchata 8:20 and 8:28 agrees that one can make egg or tuna salad with two shinuys though it is better to do it before Shabbat. He also notes the more lenient opinion regarding egg salad.
[http://www.cckollel.org/parsha_encounters/5769/devarim_69.pdf Rabbi Langer (Chicago Kollel Devarim 5769)] quotes and explains the Shemirat Shabbat Kehilchata 8:28 and extends it to egg salad with mayonnaise and not just eggs, onions, and oil that Shemirat Shabbat was discussing.</ref> Some say that it isn't necessary to make a shinuy in the pouring.<ref>Orchot Shabbat 1:6:18 cites the Shevitat Hashabbat (Intro to Losh n. 6) who limits losh to water or liquids that permeate the solids to consolidate them and it wouldn't apply to thick fatty liquids such as mayonnaise. Orchot Shabbat is willing to rely on this opinion with respect to pour the ingredients together since anyway we really hold like the opinion that losh is violating by kneading and not pouring (Rabbi Yosi Bar Yehuda). He concludes that Rav Shlomo Zalman Auerbach liked this approach. Dor Hamelaktim v. 5 p. 2961 cites Shabbos Kitchen p. 161 who holds that one should make it in advance but in a case of need it could be made with a shinui in the mixing. [https://shulchanaruchharav.com/halacha/mixing-mayonnaise-with-tuna-or-egg-on-shabbos/ Rabbi Yakov Goldstein on shulchanaruchharov.com] agrees.</ref>
##Step 5: Mixing Ingredients: One should mix with a [[shinuy]] such as criss-cross and not in a circle.<reF>Shemirat Shabbat Kehilchata 8:28, Orchot Shabbat 6:18. Shemirat Shabbat Kehilchata notes that the minhag is to mix in oil without any variations, however, it’s proper to make above variations (in order of putting in ingredients and way of mixing).</ref>
## Removing Egg Shells: If an egg shell got mixed into the salad one may only remove it together with a bit of other food, but preferably one shouldn’t remove the egg shell but just eat around it. <Ref>Shemirat Shabbat KeHilchata 8:28 </ref> See [[Borer]].


===Instant Mashed Potatoes===
===Instant Mashed Potatoes===
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