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#One shouldn’t light with a bracha until 10 people are present in Shul even if the rest of the group is going to come while the candles are burning. <ref>Magen Avraham 671 rules that it’s considered Pirsume Nisa if the Shul lights before there are 10 people as long as they come later. [He is discussing the case of Friday afternoon but Mishna Brurah (Shaar Tzion 671:54) says that it can even apply to the weekday]. Mor Ukesiah 671e argues that there’s no Pirsume Nisa unless all 10 are present (even if there’s a need such as on Friday afternoon). Chaye Adam rules like the Magen Avraham, however, Machzik Bracha 671:7, and Yalkut Yosef (Kitzur S”A 671:13) rule like the Mor Ukesiah. Yalkut Yosef (Moadim 203 note 43), Sh”t Yabia Omer 10, comments on Rav Poalim 2:62 writes that women and children also count for the [[minyan]] needed for Pirsume Nisa since they are also obligated in the mitzvah of candle lighting. Similarly, the Ran (Megilah 19b), Ritva (Megilah 4a), Nemukei Yosef (Megilah 4a), and Meiri (Megilah 5a) say that women count for a [[minyan]] for megilah reading because they are obligated in that mitzvah. </ref> | #One shouldn’t light with a bracha until 10 people are present in Shul even if the rest of the group is going to come while the candles are burning. <ref>Magen Avraham 671 rules that it’s considered Pirsume Nisa if the Shul lights before there are 10 people as long as they come later. [He is discussing the case of Friday afternoon but Mishna Brurah (Shaar Tzion 671:54) says that it can even apply to the weekday]. Mor Ukesiah 671e argues that there’s no Pirsume Nisa unless all 10 are present (even if there’s a need such as on Friday afternoon). Chaye Adam rules like the Magen Avraham, however, Machzik Bracha 671:7, and Yalkut Yosef (Kitzur S”A 671:13) rule like the Mor Ukesiah. Yalkut Yosef (Moadim 203 note 43), Sh”t Yabia Omer 10, comments on Rav Poalim 2:62 writes that women and children also count for the [[minyan]] needed for Pirsume Nisa since they are also obligated in the mitzvah of candle lighting. Similarly, the Ran (Megilah 19b), Ritva (Megilah 4a), Nemukei Yosef (Megilah 4a), and Meiri (Megilah 5a) say that women count for a [[minyan]] for megilah reading because they are obligated in that mitzvah. </ref> | ||
#If there’s a case of need such as on Friday afternoon when one can’t wait until [[Shabbat]] to light, and there’s not 10 people one has what to rely on to light with [[Brachot]]. If it’s easy to get 10 people for the Bracha it’s preferable to arrange a group of 10. <ref>Mishna Brurah 671:47 (and in Beiur Halacha s.v. VeYesh Nohagin), Mekor Chaim, Minchat Elazar, Pri HaSadeh, Sh”t Maharshag, and Yalkut Yosef (Kitzur S”A 671:14). </ref> | #If there’s a case of need such as on Friday afternoon when one can’t wait until [[Shabbat]] to light, and there’s not 10 people one has what to rely on to light with [[Brachot]]. If it’s easy to get 10 people for the Bracha it’s preferable to arrange a group of 10.<ref>Mishna Brurah 671:47 (and in Beiur Halacha s.v. VeYesh Nohagin), Mekor Chaim, Minchat Elazar, Pri HaSadeh, Sh”t Maharshag, and Yalkut Yosef (Kitzur S”A 671:14). </ref> | ||
# When lighting on Motzei Shabbat, the minhag is to light after davening before Havdalah. If for Corona concerns they are not saying havdalah in shul they should light before the kaddish titkabel or before kaddish after aleinu.<ref>[https://www.yutorah.org/sidebar/lecture.cfm/980098/rabbi-hershel-schachter/piskei-corona-57-lighting-chanuka-candles-in-shul/ Rav Hershel Schachter (Piskei Corona Kislev 17 5781)]</ref> | |||
==Who should light the candles in the Shul?== | ==Who should light the candles in the Shul?== | ||
