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# The congregation should light [[Chanukah]] Candles between [[Mincha]] and [[Mariv]] even if it means lighting at sunset ([[Shekiyah]]) because the congregation would leave right after [[Mariv]] and there wouldn’t be Pirsume Nisa for the candles. <ref> Rashba ([[Shabbat]] 21b) says that if one wants he can light at Shkiah because there’s also Pirsume Nisa then. Orchot Chaim ([[Chanukah]] 15), Ritva and Ran on [[Shabbat]] 21b. Rashba ([[Shabbat]] 21a), Ritva ([[Shabbat]] 21a), Ran ([[Shabbat]] 21a), Orchot Chaim ([[Chanukah]] 15), and Bach 672 say that one can light earlier than the proper time to light (Tzet for Sephardim, [[Shekiah]] for some Ashkenazim) because if one delayed lighting in Shul until after [[Mariv]] people would leave and there wouldn’t be Pirsume Nisa. Bach 672 says in Shul the Shaliach Tzibbur can light at Shkiah. Sh”t Shev Yacov 22 pg 28a says it’s established to light between [[Mincha]] and [[Mariv]] (and so says Avudraham 54d) and the reason is that if they light after [[Mariv]] the whole congregation would leave. Sh”t Zivchai Tzedek (O”C 2:29,3:112 pg 213) writes that that was the Minhag of Bagdad based on the Yesh Omerim of S”A 672:2. This is also the opinion of Chazon Ovadyah pg 69 and records that such is the Minhag Yerushalayim. Sh”t Shraga HaMeir 7:44 says that if the congregation forgot to light in between [[Mincha]] and [[Mariv]] they should light before Alenu so there’s a [[minyan]] still there. See also Yeraim 102e. </ref> | # The congregation should light [[Chanukah]] Candles between [[Mincha]] and [[Mariv]] even if it means lighting at sunset ([[Shekiyah]]) because the congregation would leave right after [[Mariv]] and there wouldn’t be Pirsume Nisa for the candles. <ref> Rashba ([[Shabbat]] 21b) says that if one wants he can light at Shkiah because there’s also Pirsume Nisa then. Orchot Chaim ([[Chanukah]] 15), Ritva and Ran on [[Shabbat]] 21b. Rashba ([[Shabbat]] 21a), Ritva ([[Shabbat]] 21a), Ran ([[Shabbat]] 21a), Orchot Chaim ([[Chanukah]] 15), and Bach 672 say that one can light earlier than the proper time to light (Tzet for Sephardim, [[Shekiah]] for some Ashkenazim) because if one delayed lighting in Shul until after [[Mariv]] people would leave and there wouldn’t be Pirsume Nisa. Bach 672 says in Shul the Shaliach Tzibbur can light at Shkiah. Sh”t Shev Yacov 22 pg 28a says it’s established to light between [[Mincha]] and [[Mariv]] (and so says Avudraham 54d) and the reason is that if they light after [[Mariv]] the whole congregation would leave. Sh”t Zivchai Tzedek (O”C 2:29,3:112 pg 213) writes that that was the Minhag of Bagdad based on the Yesh Omerim of S”A 672:2. This is also the opinion of Chazon Ovadyah pg 69 and records that such is the Minhag Yerushalayim. Sh”t Shraga HaMeir 7:44 says that if the congregation forgot to light in between [[Mincha]] and [[Mariv]] they should light before Alenu so there’s a [[minyan]] still there. See also Yeraim 102e. </ref> | ||
# If a Shul has a few minyanim for [[Maariv]], the Menorah should remain lit from before the first [[minyan]] until after the last [[minyan]] <ref> Rav Chaim Kanievsky quoted in Sefer Yimei [[Hallel]] ViHodaah page 299 footnote 53. He adds that if the Menorah burned out, or if the last [[minyan]] is much later than the first [[minyan]], it should indeed be lit again before the last [[minyan]] with the [[berachot]]. [http://www.dailyhalacha.com/displayRead.asp?readID=2797 Rabbi Eli Mansour] writes that if the menorah burnt out it should be lit again but without a beracha. see also Sh"t Yabea Omer 7:57 on the minhag of the Musayof Shul.</ref> | # If a Shul has a few minyanim for [[Maariv]], the Menorah should remain lit from before the first [[minyan]] until after the last [[minyan]] <ref> Rav Chaim Kanievsky quoted in Sefer Yimei [[Hallel]] ViHodaah page 299 footnote 53. He adds that if the Menorah burned out, or if the last [[minyan]] is much later than the first [[minyan]], it should indeed be lit again before the last [[minyan]] with the [[berachot]]. [http://www.dailyhalacha.com/displayRead.asp?readID=2797 Rabbi Eli Mansour] writes that if the menorah burnt out it should be lit again but without a beracha. see also Sh"t Yabea Omer 7:57 on the minhag of the Musayof Shul.</ref> | ||
# Ideally one should not extinguish the menorah in shul until it has lit for a half hour since some say a guest can fulfill his obligation and since it is zecher lamikdash. If one is afraid of a fire, or that one may steal the Menorah, one may extinguish the Shul's Menorah even if the 1/2 hour didn't pass yet. <ref> Sh"t Rivevot Ephraim 3:453,5:432, Sh"t Shevet HaLevi 8:156 </ref> | # Ideally one should not extinguish the menorah in shul until it has lit for a half hour since some say a guest can fulfill his obligation and since it is zecher lamikdash. If one is afraid of a fire, or that one may steal the Menorah, one may extinguish the Shul's Menorah even if the 1/2 hour didn't pass yet. <ref> Sh"t Rivevot Ephraim 3:453,5:432, Sh"t Shevet HaLevi 8:156 </ref> | ||
==Lighting in Shul in the Morning== | |||
# There is a practice to light in shul in the morning for [[Shacharit]] without a bracha. <ref> Pri Megadim Eshel Avraham 670:2, Yalkut Yosef (Moadim pg 205), Shearim Mitzuyanim Bihalacha 139:19, Sh"t Melamed Lehoil OC 121, [http://www.neveh.org/chanukah/chanuka2.html Rav Yoel Schwartz] </ref> | |||
#Two of the reasons given for this practice are: since we lit in the Shul in order to fulfill Pirsumei Nisa and we only light it for Maariv we don't light for the requisite 30 minutes and so we make up for it during the day. Alternatively, we light in the Shul corrosponding to the lighting of the Bet Hamikdash and according to the Rambam<ref>Rambam Tamidin Umusafin 3, Mitzvah Aseh 25. See further Rashba teshuva 79, 309</ref> they lit the Menorah in the Bet Hamikdash at night and the morning.<ref>Melamed Lhoil OC 121</ref> | |||
==Fulfilling one's obligation of candle lighting with the lighting in the Shul== | ==Fulfilling one's obligation of candle lighting with the lighting in the Shul== | ||
