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==Fulfilling one's obligation of candle lighting with the lighting in the Shul== | ==Fulfilling one's obligation of candle lighting with the lighting in the Shul== | ||
# One doesn’t fulfill his obligation with the lighting in Shul even if one did the lighting and so one can light at home for his family with all the [[Brachot]]. <ref> Mishna Brurah 671:45, Sh”t Rivash 111 says that one doesn’t fulfill his obligation with the lighting in Shul. This is also the opinion of Rama 671:7. Gra (671:7 s.v. viein) explains the obligation of lighting is personal and also related to one’s household and one doesn’t fulfill that aspect of the lighting when lighting in Shul. </ref> However if he lives by himself and he lit in Shul for the congregation, when he lights at home, according to Sephardim, he should only say the Bracha of LeHadlik Ner (and not SheAssa Nissim and [[Shehecheyanu]]). Ashkenazim, however, can say LeHadlik and SheAssa just not [[Shehecheyanu]]. <Ref> Sh”t Zera Emet 1:96 says that once one said the Bracha of [[Shehecheyanu]] in Shul one doesn’t repeat it at home unless one is fulfilling the obligation of his family. This is also the opinion of Shaarei | # One doesn’t fulfill his obligation with the lighting in Shul even if one did the lighting and so one can light at home for his family with all the [[Brachot]]. <ref> Mishna Brurah 671:45, Sh”t Rivash 111 says that one doesn’t fulfill his obligation with the lighting in Shul. This is also the opinion of Rama 671:7. Gra (671:7 s.v. viein) explains the obligation of lighting is personal and also related to one’s household and one doesn’t fulfill that aspect of the lighting when lighting in Shul. </ref> However if he lives by himself and he lit in Shul for the congregation, when he lights at home, according to Sephardim, he should only say the Bracha of LeHadlik Ner (and not SheAssa Nissim and [[Shehecheyanu]]). Ashkenazim, however, can say LeHadlik and SheAssa just not [[Shehecheyanu]]. <Ref> Sh”t Zera Emet 1:96 says that once one said the Bracha of [[Shehecheyanu]] in Shul one doesn’t repeat it at home unless one is fulfilling the obligation of his family. This is also the opinion of Shaarei Teshuva 671:11 and Mishna Brurah 671:45. Sh”t Igrot Moshe O”C 1:190 argues on Zera Emet that there should be no difference between [[Shehecheyanu]] and SheAssa Nisim (and thus one should be able to repeat all the [[Brachot]] even by oneself). Yalkut Yosef (Moadim pg 200), Halichot Olam 1 pg 66, Taharat Mayim, Sh”t Hitorerut Teshuva 1:103, Leket Yosher 151, and Sh”t Yechave Daat 2:77 say that if one is only lighting at home for himself and he made the [[Brachot]] in Shul he should only make the Bracha of LeHadlik Ner. </ref> | ||
# On a Friday afternoon, if one already lit at home before coming to Shul (as will everyone else) he should light in Shul without the Bracha [[Shehecheyanu]]. Sephardim say that one shouldn’t say the bracha of She’assa Nisim either but just the bracha of LeHadlik. <Ref> Sh”t Tzitz Eliezer 13:69 based on the Bach says that even if one said the Bracha of [[Shehecheyanu]] at home one can still say it at Shul on Friday afternoon when everyone there already lit with [[Brachot]]. However Sh”t Chatom Sofer O”C 55 and Shaarei Knesset HaGedolah argue on the Bach. Sephardim should not even repeat She’assa Nisim as brought down by Yalkut Yosef (Moadim pg 200 note 37) and Ben Ish Chai Vayeshev 11. </ref> | # On a Friday afternoon, if one already lit at home before coming to Shul (as will everyone else) he should light in Shul without the Bracha [[Shehecheyanu]]. Sephardim say that one shouldn’t say the bracha of She’assa Nisim either but just the bracha of LeHadlik. <Ref> Sh”t Tzitz Eliezer 13:69 based on the Bach says that even if one said the Bracha of [[Shehecheyanu]] at home one can still say it at Shul on Friday afternoon when everyone there already lit with [[Brachot]]. However Sh”t Chatom Sofer O”C 55 and Shaarei Knesset HaGedolah argue on the Bach. Sephardim should not even repeat She’assa Nisim as brought down by Yalkut Yosef (Moadim pg 200 note 37) and Ben Ish Chai Vayeshev 11. </ref> | ||
# One can light in Shul even if he lit at home and can light for another congregation that has an obligation of lighting. <ref> Shaarei | # One can light in Shul even if he lit at home and can light for another congregation that has an obligation of lighting. <ref> Shaarei Teshuva 671:11 quoting Sh”t Zera Emet 1:96 and Yalkut Yosef (Kitzur S”A 671:6) say that one can say [[Shehecheyanu]] for another congregation like one can say [[Birchot HaTorah]] when getting an Aliyah even though one already said it. However on Friday afternoon when the entire congregation already said [[Shehecheyanu]] one shouldn’t repeat it as in previous note. </ref> | ||
# Some say that the lighting of the candles in Shul doesn’t need to be lit for a half hour rather just as long as the congregation is there finishing [[Mariv]]. However it’s better to be strict to light it for a half hour. <ref>Yalkut Yosef (Moadim pg 202) </ref> | # Some say that the lighting of the candles in Shul doesn’t need to be lit for a half hour rather just as long as the congregation is there finishing [[Mariv]]. However it’s better to be strict to light it for a half hour. <ref>Yalkut Yosef (Moadim pg 202) </ref> | ||
# There is a practice to light candles with a bracha at [[Chanukah]] gatherings where there are Divrei Torah. It’s preferable to say [[Mariv]] there right afterwards but isn’t necessary. <ref> Yalkut Yosef (Moadim pg 204 note 43; Kitzur S”A 671:9), Sh”t Mishnat Yacov ([[Chanukah]] 260), Az Nidabru 5:37, 6:75, 11:32,34, Sh”T Bet Mordechai 41, Sh”t Yad Natan 2:25, Sh”t Mishnat Sachir 202 say that it’s sufficient that ten people are present for there to be Pirsume Nisa. </ref> | # There is a practice to light candles with a bracha at [[Chanukah]] gatherings where there are Divrei Torah. It’s preferable to say [[Mariv]] there right afterwards but isn’t necessary. <ref> Yalkut Yosef (Moadim pg 204 note 43; Kitzur S”A 671:9), Sh”t Mishnat Yacov ([[Chanukah]] 260), Az Nidabru 5:37, 6:75, 11:32,34, Sh”T Bet Mordechai 41, Sh”t Yad Natan 2:25, Sh”t Mishnat Sachir 202 say that it’s sufficient that ten people are present for there to be Pirsume Nisa. </ref> | ||
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# Many poskim write that if one is going to light at a public [[gathering]] such as a [[chanuka]] party or a wedding, they should do so without a beracha. <ref> Sh"t Tzitz Eliezer 15:30 writes that since the poskim had to work hard to justify the minhag of lighting in a shul, we shouldn't extend it to other lighting. Minchat Yitzchak 6:65:3, Rav Shlomo Zalman Auerbach (opinion cited in Sh"t Az Nidberu 6:75, though Rav Zilber himself disagrees, see below), Sh"t shevet halevi 4:65, teshuvot vihanhagot 1:398, divrei yatziv 286:3 also say not to light in public places other than the shuls. </ref> Other poskim disagree and allow it for the pirsumei nisa. <ref> Chacham David Yosef in Torat Hamoadim Hilchot [[Chanukah]] 7:16 says a beracha shouldn't be recited unless [[Arvit]] is recited at that [[gathering]]. Yalkut Yosef [[Chanukah]] 671:10 however, writes that although in Yalkut Yosef Moadim pg. 204 he wrote that you would need to say [[arvit]] to be able to say a beracha on the lighting in that place, his father said that really [[arvit]] is not necessary, and one would be able to recite a beracha on the lighting even if there wasn't a [[minyan]] for [[arvit]] afterwards. He adds that nevertheless one should try to recite [[arvit]]. Mishnat Yaakov on the Rambam [[Chanukah]] 3:4, Sh"t Az Nidberu 5:37, Sh"t Yad Natan 2:25, Sht Mishneh Sachir 202, Sh"t Beit Mordechai 41 say that a beracha can be recited as well. [http://www.yutorah.org/lectures/lecture.cfm/785327/Rabbi_Aryeh_Lebowitz/Ten_Minute_Halacha_-_Public_Menorah_Lighting Rabbi Aryeh Lebowitz] adds that this seems to be the minhag Chabad as well. </ref> | # Many poskim write that if one is going to light at a public [[gathering]] such as a [[chanuka]] party or a wedding, they should do so without a beracha. <ref> Sh"t Tzitz Eliezer 15:30 writes that since the poskim had to work hard to justify the minhag of lighting in a shul, we shouldn't extend it to other lighting. Minchat Yitzchak 6:65:3, Rav Shlomo Zalman Auerbach (opinion cited in Sh"t Az Nidberu 6:75, though Rav Zilber himself disagrees, see below), Sh"t shevet halevi 4:65, teshuvot vihanhagot 1:398, divrei yatziv 286:3 also say not to light in public places other than the shuls. </ref> Other poskim disagree and allow it for the pirsumei nisa. <ref> Chacham David Yosef in Torat Hamoadim Hilchot [[Chanukah]] 7:16 says a beracha shouldn't be recited unless [[Arvit]] is recited at that [[gathering]]. Yalkut Yosef [[Chanukah]] 671:10 however, writes that although in Yalkut Yosef Moadim pg. 204 he wrote that you would need to say [[arvit]] to be able to say a beracha on the lighting in that place, his father said that really [[arvit]] is not necessary, and one would be able to recite a beracha on the lighting even if there wasn't a [[minyan]] for [[arvit]] afterwards. He adds that nevertheless one should try to recite [[arvit]]. Mishnat Yaakov on the Rambam [[Chanukah]] 3:4, Sh"t Az Nidberu 5:37, Sh"t Yad Natan 2:25, Sht Mishneh Sachir 202, Sh"t Beit Mordechai 41 say that a beracha can be recited as well. [http://www.yutorah.org/lectures/lecture.cfm/785327/Rabbi_Aryeh_Lebowitz/Ten_Minute_Halacha_-_Public_Menorah_Lighting Rabbi Aryeh Lebowitz] adds that this seems to be the minhag Chabad as well. </ref> | ||
==Links== | |||
* [http://www.hebrewbooks.org/56810 Yalkut Yosef Hilchot Chanukah (Hebrew 5773)] | |||
==Sources== | ==Sources== | ||
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