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The practice is to light [[Chanuka]] candles in Shul between [[Mincha]] and [[Mariv]] with a bracha since it’s a very old Minhag so there’s Pirsume Nisa to those in Shul during [[Mariv]]. <Ref> S”A 671:7, Yalkut Yosef 671:1. Sh"t Melamed Lehoil OC 121 points out that this minhag is not mentioned by any of the earlier mainstream Rishonim like the Rif, the rosh, the rambam and the first one to mention it is the Baal Haitur, but doesn't mention if we should say a beracha. Shibbolei Haleket 185 questions the minhag and says that for sure one shouldn't light with a beracha. However, Sh"t Rivash 111 (quoted in Beit Yosef 671) says that this lighting is to fulfill the obligation publicly since nowadays we light inside and this is a strong minhag that's done for the purpose of pirsumei nisa and therefore requires a beracha. Biur Halacha 671 “ubibet haknesset” notes that we don’t paskin like the rivash’s reason because we light in shul even in places where we can light outside. Orchot Chayim Hilchot [[Chanuka]] Ot 17 says that the minhag developed so that those who didn't know how to light could fulfill their obligation in shuls. Sefer hamanhig | The practice is to light [[Chanuka]] candles in Shul between [[Mincha]] and [[Mariv]] with a bracha since it’s a very old Minhag so there’s Pirsume Nisa to those in Shul during [[Mariv]]. <Ref> Tur, S”A 671:7, Yalkut Yosef 671:1. Sh"t Melamed Lehoil OC 121 points out that this minhag is not mentioned by any of the earlier mainstream Rishonim like the Rif, the rosh, the rambam and the first one to mention it is the Baal Haitur 2:Hilchot [[Chanuka]] 114b, but doesn't mention if we should say a beracha. Shibbolei Haleket 185 questions the minhag and says that for sure one shouldn't light with a beracha. However, Sh"t Rivash 111 (quoted in Beit Yosef 671) says that this lighting is to fulfill the obligation publicly since nowadays we light inside and this is a strong minhag that's done for the purpose of pirsumei nisa and therefore requires a beracha. Biur Halacha 671 “ubibet haknesset” notes that we don’t paskin like the rivash’s reason because we light in shul even in places where we can light outside. Orchot Chayim Hilchot [[Chanuka]] Ot 17 says that the minhag developed so that those who didn't know how to light could fulfill their obligation in shuls. Sdei Chemed Asifat Dinim [[Chanuka]] 24 notes that this is the primary reason for the lighting. Sefer hamanhig 148 (pg. 531) says that the lighting is zecher lamikdash and a shul is considered a mikdash miat (based on the gemara in megilla 29a's interpretation of the pasuk in Yechezkel 11:16. Beit yosef 671 quotes the Kol Bo 44 as saying the reason is to fulfill the obligation of those who weren't doing it otherwise, like we did for [[Kiddush]] in shul on Friday night and that is is a special pirsum hanes. Mor Uketzia 672 expounds on this point. see also Kaf Hachaim 671:70. | ||
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== When should one light Chanuka candles in the Shul?== | == When should one light Chanuka candles in the Shul?== | ||
# The congregation should light [[Chanuka]] Candles between [[Mincha]] and [[Mariv]] even if it means lighting at sunset ([[Shekiyah]]) because the congregation would leave right after [[Mariv]] and there wouldn’t be Pirsume Nisa for the candles. <ref> Rashba ([[Shabbat]] 21b) says that if one wants he can light at Shkiah because there’s also Pirsume Nisa then. Orchot Chaim ([[Chanuka]] 15), Ritva and Ran on [[Shabbat]] 21b. Rashba ([[Shabbat]] 21a), Ritva ([[Shabbat]] 21a), Ran ([[Shabbat]] 21a), Orchot Chaim ([[Chanuka]] 15), and Bach 672 say that one can light earlier than the proper time to light (Tzet for Sephardim, [[Shekiah]] for some Ashkenazim) because if one delayed lighting in Shul until after [[Mariv]] people would leave and there wouldn’t be Pirsume Nisa. Bach 672 says in Shul the Shaliach Tzibbur can light at Shkiah. Sh”t Shev Yacov 22 pg 28a says it’s established to light between [[Mincha]] and [[Mariv]] (and so says Avudraham 54d) and the reason is that if they light after [[Mariv]] the whole congregation would leave. Sh”t Zivchai Tzedek (O”C 2:29,3:112 pg 213) writes that that was the Minhag of Bagdad based on the Yesh Omerim of S”A 672:2. So rules Chazon Ovadyah pg 69 and records that such is the Minhag Yerushalayim. Sh”t Shraga HaMeir 7:44 says that if the congregation forgot to light in between [[Mincha]] and [[Mariv]] they should light before Alenu so there’s a [[minyan]] still there. See also Yeraim 102e. </ref> | # The congregation should light [[Chanuka]] Candles between [[Mincha]] and [[Mariv]] even if it means lighting at sunset ([[Shekiyah]]) because the congregation would leave right after [[Mariv]] and there wouldn’t be Pirsume Nisa for the candles. <ref> Rashba ([[Shabbat]] 21b) says that if one wants he can light at Shkiah because there’s also Pirsume Nisa then. Orchot Chaim ([[Chanuka]] 15), Ritva and Ran on [[Shabbat]] 21b. Rashba ([[Shabbat]] 21a), Ritva ([[Shabbat]] 21a), Ran ([[Shabbat]] 21a), Orchot Chaim ([[Chanuka]] 15), and Bach 672 say that one can light earlier than the proper time to light (Tzet for Sephardim, [[Shekiah]] for some Ashkenazim) because if one delayed lighting in Shul until after [[Mariv]] people would leave and there wouldn’t be Pirsume Nisa. Bach 672 says in Shul the Shaliach Tzibbur can light at Shkiah. Sh”t Shev Yacov 22 pg 28a says it’s established to light between [[Mincha]] and [[Mariv]] (and so says Avudraham 54d) and the reason is that if they light after [[Mariv]] the whole congregation would leave. Sh”t Zivchai Tzedek (O”C 2:29,3:112 pg 213) writes that that was the Minhag of Bagdad based on the Yesh Omerim of S”A 672:2. So rules Chazon Ovadyah pg 69 and records that such is the Minhag Yerushalayim. Sh”t Shraga HaMeir 7:44 says that if the congregation forgot to light in between [[Mincha]] and [[Mariv]] they should light before Alenu so there’s a [[minyan]] still there. See also Yeraim 102e. </ref> | ||
# If a Shul has a few minyanim for [[Maariv]], the Menorah should remain lit from before the first [[minyan]] until after the last [[minyan]] <ref> Rav Chaim Kanievsky quoted in Sefer Yimei [[Hallel]] ViHodaah page 299 footnote 53. He adds that if the Menorah burned out, or if the last [[minyan]] is much later than the first [[minyan]], it should indeed be lit again before the last [[minyan]] with the [[berachot]]. </ref> | # If a Shul has a few minyanim for [[Maariv]], the Menorah should remain lit from before the first [[minyan]] until after the last [[minyan]] <ref> Rav Chaim Kanievsky quoted in Sefer Yimei [[Hallel]] ViHodaah page 299 footnote 53. He adds that if the Menorah burned out, or if the last [[minyan]] is much later than the first [[minyan]], it should indeed be lit again before the last [[minyan]] with the [[berachot]]. see also Sh"t Yabea Omer 7:57 on the minhag of the Musayof Shul.</ref> | ||
# There is a practice to light in shul for [[Shacharit]] without a bracha. <ref> Yalkut Yosef (Moadim pg 205). </ref> | # There is a practice to light in shul for [[Shacharit]] without a bracha. <ref> Yalkut Yosef (Moadim pg 205), Shearim Mitzuyanim Bihalacha 139:19, Sh"t Melamed Lehoil OC 121, based on Pri Megadim Eshel Avraham 670:2[http://www.neveh.org/chanukah/chanuka2.html Rav Yoel Schwartz] </ref> | ||
# Ideally one should not extinguish the menorah in shul until it has lit for a half hour since some say a guest can fulfill his obligation and since it is zecher lamikdash. If one is afraid of a fire, or that one may steal the Menorah, one may extinguish the Shul's Menorah even if the 1/2 hour didn't pass yet. <ref> Sh"t Rivevot Ephraim 3:453,5:432, Sh"t Shevet HaLevi 8:156 </ref> | # Ideally one should not extinguish the menorah in shul until it has lit for a half hour since some say a guest can fulfill his obligation and since it is zecher lamikdash. If one is afraid of a fire, or that one may steal the Menorah, one may extinguish the Shul's Menorah even if the 1/2 hour didn't pass yet. <ref> Sh"t Rivevot Ephraim 3:453,5:432, Sh"t Shevet HaLevi 8:156 </ref> | ||
==Fulfilling one's obligation of candle lighting with the lighting in the Shul== | ==Fulfilling one's obligation of candle lighting with the lighting in the Shul== | ||
# One doesn’t fulfill his obligation with the lighting in Shul even if one did the lighting and so one can light at home for his family with all the [[Brachot]]. However if he lives by himself and he lit in Shul for the congregation, when he lights at home, according to Sephardim, he should only say the Bracha of LeHadlik Ner (and not SheAssa Nissim and [[Shehecheyanu]]). Ashkenazim, however, can say LeHadlik and SheAssa just not [[Shehecheyanu]]. <Ref> | # One doesn’t fulfill his obligation with the lighting in Shul even if one did the lighting and so one can light at home for his family with all the [[Brachot]]. <ref> Mishna Berura 671:45, Sh”t Rivash 111 says that one doesn’t fulfill his obligation with the lighting in Shul. So rules Rama 671:7. Gra 671:7 "viein" notes that this is because the obligation is on the person and his household</ref> However if he lives by himself and he lit in Shul for the congregation, when he lights at home, according to Sephardim, he should only say the Bracha of LeHadlik Ner (and not SheAssa Nissim and [[Shehecheyanu]]). Ashkenazim, however, can say LeHadlik and SheAssa just not [[Shehecheyanu]]. <Ref> Sh”t Zera Emet 1:96 says that once one said the Bracha of [[Shehecheyanu]] in Shul one doesn’t repeat it at home unless one is fulfilling the obligation of his family. So rules Shaarei Teshuva 671:11 and Mishna Brurah 671:45. Sh”t Igrot Moshe O”C 1:190 argues on Zera Emet that there should be no difference between [[Shehecheyanu]] and SheAssa Nisim (and thus one should be able to repeat all the [[Brachot]] even by oneself). Yalkut Yosef (Moadim pg 200), Halichot Olam 1 pg 66, Taharat Mayim, Sh”t Hitorerut Teshuva 1:103, Leket Yosher 151, and Sh”t Yechave Daat 2:77 say that if one is only lighting at home for himself and he made the [[Brachot]] in Shul he should only make the Bracha of LeHadlik Ner. </ref> | ||
# On a Friday afternoon, if one already lit at home before coming to Shul (as will everyone else) he should light in Shul without the Bracha [[Shehecheyanu]]. Sephardim say that one shouldn’t say the bracha of She’assa Nisim either but just the bracha of LeHadlik. <Ref> Sh”t Tzitz Eliezer 13:69 based on the Bach says that even if one said the Bracha of [[Shehecheyanu]] at home one can still say it at Shul on | # On a Friday afternoon, if one already lit at home before coming to Shul (as will everyone else) he should light in Shul without the Bracha [[Shehecheyanu]]. Sephardim say that one shouldn’t say the bracha of She’assa Nisim either but just the bracha of LeHadlik. <Ref> Sh”t Tzitz Eliezer 13:69 based on the Bach says that even if one said the Bracha of [[Shehecheyanu]] at home one can still say it at Shul on Friday afternoon when everyone there already lit with [[Brachot]]. However Sh”t Chatom Sofer O”C 55 and Shaarei Knesset HaGedolah argue on the Bach. Sephardim should not even repeat She’assa Nisim as brought down by Yalkut Yosef (Moadim pg 200 note 37) and Ben Ish Chai Vayeshev 11. </ref> | ||
# One can light in Shul even if he lit at home and can light for another congregation that has an obligation of lighting. <ref> Shaarei Teshuva 671:11 quoting Sh”t Zera Emet 1:96 and Yalkut Yosef (Kitzur S”A 671:6) say that one can say [[Shehecheyanu]] for another congregation like one can say [[Birchot HaTorah]] when getting an Aliyah even though one already said it. However on Friday afternoon when the entire congregation already said [[Shehecheyanu]] one shouldn’t repeat it as in previous note. </ref> | # One can light in Shul even if he lit at home and can light for another congregation that has an obligation of lighting. <ref> Shaarei Teshuva 671:11 quoting Sh”t Zera Emet 1:96 and Yalkut Yosef (Kitzur S”A 671:6) say that one can say [[Shehecheyanu]] for another congregation like one can say [[Birchot HaTorah]] when getting an Aliyah even though one already said it. However on Friday afternoon when the entire congregation already said [[Shehecheyanu]] one shouldn’t repeat it as in previous note. </ref> | ||
# Some say that the lighting of the candles in Shul doesn’t need to be lit for a half hour rather just as long as the congregation is there finishing [[Mariv]]. However it’s better to be strict to light it for a half hour. <ref>Yalkut Yosef (Moadim pg 202) </ref> | # Some say that the lighting of the candles in Shul doesn’t need to be lit for a half hour rather just as long as the congregation is there finishing [[Mariv]]. However it’s better to be strict to light it for a half hour. <ref>Yalkut Yosef (Moadim pg 202) </ref> | ||
