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* Tosfot (ibid.) ask why the oil isn’t permitted after chanuka just like other tashmishei mitzvah, such as the wood from a sukkah, are permitted after the mitzvah is finished (Megillah 26b). Tosfot answer that since chanuka candles are so beloved and a person is not waiting for them to be extinguished, he sets aside all of the oil for the mitzvah, and it is considered tashmishei mitzvah even past the time of the mitzvah. Similarly, the Ran (9a s.v. Iy) answers that since the oil usually is used up completely, a person automatically sets it aside for the mitzvah. | * Tosfot (ibid.) ask why the oil isn’t permitted after chanuka just like other tashmishei mitzvah, such as the wood from a sukkah, are permitted after the mitzvah is finished (Megillah 26b). Tosfot answer that since chanuka candles are so beloved and a person is not waiting for them to be extinguished, he sets aside all of the oil for the mitzvah, and it is considered tashmishei mitzvah even past the time of the mitzvah. Similarly, the Ran (9a s.v. Iy) answers that since the oil usually is used up completely, a person automatically sets it aside for the mitzvah. | ||
* On the other hand, the Avudraham (Seder Hadlakat Ner Chanuka) explains that the leftover oil is considered like a tashmishei kedusha because the candles are a zeicher of the candles in the beit hamikdash, which themselves are hekdesh. See also Sdei Chemed (Maarechet Chanuka 9:1), who first quotes Rav Shlomo of Vilna as having originated this idea and then says that he later found this explicit in the Me’iri (21a). | * On the other hand, the Avudraham (Seder Hadlakat Ner Chanuka) explains that the leftover oil is considered like a tashmishei kedusha because the candles are a zeicher of the candles in the beit hamikdash, which themselves are hekdesh. See also Sdei Chemed (Maarechet Chanuka 9:1), who first quotes Rav Shlomo of Vilna as having originated this idea and then says that he later found this explicit in the Me’iri (21a). | ||
* | * Nitei Gavriel (Chanuka responsa #9) explains that according to Tosfot, the primary prohibition is not to derive benefit from it, but one may dispose of it respectfully. Even according to the Avudraham, he argues, one need not burn the oil and it is sufficient to bury it like other tashmishei kedusha. Similarly, Rav Hershel Schachter (Halachipedia Article 5773 #12) quoted Rav Schwab as saying that our minhag is not to burn it but rather to put it in a bag and discard it. Rav Chaim Kanievsky (cited by Piskei Shemuot p. 240) and Rav Shlomo Aviner (kimizion.org/maamar/wjw72a.doc) agree. See, however, Piskei Teshuvot 677:9, who writes on his own that one should burn the leftover wicks and may not simply throw them out. </ref> | ||
# This only applies if the amount of oil was placed in the cup and it turned out that there was extra, however, if one originally filled the cups with extra oil it’s permissible. However, some are strict unless one made a stipulation that the extra oil is permissible. <Ref>Mishna Brurah 677:18 </ref> | # This only applies if the amount of oil was placed in the cup and it turned out that there was extra, however, if one originally filled the cups with extra oil it’s permissible. However, some are strict unless one made a stipulation that the extra oil is permissible. <Ref>Mishna Brurah 677:18 </ref> | ||
==Extra oil in the container== | ==Extra oil in the container== | ||
# The unused oil left in the container, which wasn't poured into the Chanukia, is totally permitted. <Ref>Bei’ur Halacha 677:4 s.v. HaTzarich writes that everyone agrees that if there is leftover oil in the container it is permitted. Not only according to S"A who holds that only the first half hour of oil is forbidden here is it permitted, but even according to the Bach that any oil that was placed in the cup to the burned is forbidden, here it is certainly permitted because it was never put in a candle to be burned. Berot Mayim 27, Kaf HaChaim 677:28, Ikrei HaDaat 35:32, Yalkut Yosef 677:14 agrees. [Sh”t Bet Av P”C 98 says that originally Peni Yehuda disagreed and then retracted.] See, however, | # The unused oil left in the container, which wasn't poured into the Chanukia, is totally permitted. <Ref>Bei’ur Halacha 677:4 s.v. HaTzarich writes that everyone agrees that if there is leftover oil in the container it is permitted. Not only according to S"A who holds that only the first half hour of oil is forbidden here is it permitted, but even according to the Bach that any oil that was placed in the cup to the burned is forbidden, here it is certainly permitted because it was never put in a candle to be burned. Berot Mayim 27, Kaf HaChaim 677:28, Ikrei HaDaat 35:32, Yalkut Yosef 677:14 agrees. [Sh”t Bet Av P”C 98 says that originally Peni Yehuda disagreed and then retracted.] See, however, Nitei Gavriel 57:1 who quotes some who disagree. </ref> | ||
# Many say that it also permitted if it was poured into the Chanukiya but never lit.<Ref>Torat HaMoadim 5:26 permits the extra oil even if it was poured into the Chanukiya but was never lit. He cites Sh”t Mahari MeBruna 51, Sharei Knesset HaGedolah 673:8, Magan Avraham 673:8, Eliyah Raba 673:11, and Erech Hashulchan 672:5 as his support in opposition to the Olot [[Shabbat]] 672 who based on the Rama says one shouldn’t use oil that was put in the Chanukia and not lit. Chazon Ovadyah (Chanuka pg 160) agrees. </ref> | # Many say that it also permitted if it was poured into the Chanukiya but never lit.<Ref>Torat HaMoadim 5:26 permits the extra oil even if it was poured into the Chanukiya but was never lit. He cites Sh”t Mahari MeBruna 51, Sharei Knesset HaGedolah 673:8, Magan Avraham 673:8, Eliyah Raba 673:11, and Erech Hashulchan 672:5 as his support in opposition to the Olot [[Shabbat]] 672 who based on the Rama says one shouldn’t use oil that was put in the Chanukia and not lit. Chazon Ovadyah (Chanuka pg 160) agrees. </ref> | ||
==Keeping the leftover oil around== | ==Keeping the leftover oil around== | ||
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# Even though one isn’t allowed to nullify a forbidden object Lechatchila, after the fact if forbidden oil was mixed with 60 times that amount of permitted oil, the forbidden oil is nullified. If some oil was already added, then one is permitted to add more permitted oil to nullify it. Some say that even in that case one can’t nullify a forbidden object Lechatchila. <ref> S"A 677:4. See Chazon Ovadyah (Chanuka pg 160-6) and Torat HaMoadim 5:28 at length. </ref> | # Even though one isn’t allowed to nullify a forbidden object Lechatchila, after the fact if forbidden oil was mixed with 60 times that amount of permitted oil, the forbidden oil is nullified. If some oil was already added, then one is permitted to add more permitted oil to nullify it. Some say that even in that case one can’t nullify a forbidden object Lechatchila. <ref> S"A 677:4. See Chazon Ovadyah (Chanuka pg 160-6) and Torat HaMoadim 5:28 at length. </ref> | ||
==Wicks== | ==Wicks== | ||
# The wicks have the same halacha as the oil. <Ref> The Tur 677:4 writes that the prohibition of the leftover oil applies also to the leftover wicks. Kitzur S”A 139:20, Aruch Hashulchan 677:6, Piskei Teshuvot 677:9, and | # The wicks have the same halacha as the oil. <Ref> The Tur 677:4 writes that the prohibition of the leftover oil applies also to the leftover wicks. Kitzur S”A 139:20, Aruch Hashulchan 677:6, Piskei Teshuvot 677:9, and Nitei Gavriel 57:1 concur. Rav Hershel Schachter (Halachipedia Article 5773 #12) said that it is ineffective to make a stipulation for the wicks because they themselves are used for the mitzvah. See, however, Shevet HaKehati 1:200, who writes that since the wicks are burnt the same amount whether they burn for a short or long time, they may be used even if they go out within a half hour. </ref> | ||
==Related Pages== | ==Related Pages== | ||
