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# Even though Ashkenazi women are exempt from leaning, if they drink the wine or eat the [[Matzah]] standing they are not Yotzei. <ref> Rav Shlomo Zalman Auerbach (quoted in Halichot Shlomo [[Pesach]] pg 235) writes that even though women are exempt from leaning they are still obligated in the law of acting as free people and royalty, therefore if they eat while standing which is totally a lack of acting like royalty they have not fulfilled their obligation. One can also make such a implication from the words of the Ravyah 525 that "the practice of leaning was replaced by sitting". </ref> | # Even though Ashkenazi women are exempt from leaning, if they drink the wine or eat the [[Matzah]] standing they are not Yotzei. <ref> Rav Shlomo Zalman Auerbach (quoted in Halichot Shlomo [[Pesach]] pg 235) writes that even though women are exempt from leaning they are still obligated in the law of acting as free people and royalty, therefore if they eat while standing which is totally a lack of acting like royalty they have not fulfilled their obligation. One can also make such a implication from the words of the Ravyah 525 that "the practice of leaning was replaced by sitting". </ref> | ||
# A student in front of his Rabbi (even if it's not his Rav Muvhak, primary teacher), or a student in front of a very distinguished Rabbi even if he's not his teacher shouldn't lean unless they are given permission. <ref> Shulchan Aruch 472:5 </ref> | # A student in front of his Rabbi (even if it's not his Rav Muvhak, primary teacher), or a student in front of a very distinguished Rabbi even if he's not his teacher shouldn't lean unless they are given permission. <ref> Shulchan Aruch 472:5 </ref> | ||
# A son in front of his father should lean even if your father is also your teacher. <ref> Shulchan Aruch 472:5. | # A son in front of his father should lean even if your father is also your teacher. <ref> Shulchan Aruch 472:5. Magen Avraham 472:6 explains that the father is assumed to forgo on his respect. </ref> | ||
# If a student went ahead and leaned even though he wasn't supposed to and the Rabbi was silent, the silence is understood as permission. <ref> Bet Yosef 472:5 writes that the Rabbi's silence is interpreted as permission to lean. Mamer Mordechai 472:2 comments that this is only true Bedieved but lechatchila a student shouldn't lean in the Rabbi's silence. This is also the opinion of the Darkei Moshe 462:3, Chok Yacov 472:11, Mishna Brurah 472:17, and Chazon Ovadyah ([[Pesach]] vol 2 pg 7). </ref> | # If a student went ahead and leaned even though he wasn't supposed to and the Rabbi was silent, the silence is understood as permission. <ref> Bet Yosef 472:5 writes that the Rabbi's silence is interpreted as permission to lean. Mamer Mordechai 472:2 comments that this is only true Bedieved but lechatchila a student shouldn't lean in the Rabbi's silence. This is also the opinion of the Darkei Moshe 462:3, Chok Yacov 472:11, Mishna Brurah 472:17, and Chazon Ovadyah ([[Pesach]] vol 2 pg 7). </ref> | ||
# Lechatchila a student shouldn't ask his rabbi for permission to lean. <ref> Chiddushei [[Rabbi Shlomo Zalman Auerbach]] on Pesachim 108b quoted in Halichot Shlomo pg 233 holds that it's a little disrespectful to ask to lean in front of your rabbi because the institution of lean was meant to show freedom and showing respect for one's rabbi overrides that and so it's proper not to ask permission. </ref> | # Lechatchila a student shouldn't ask his rabbi for permission to lean. <ref> Chiddushei [[Rabbi Shlomo Zalman Auerbach]] on Pesachim 108b quoted in Halichot Shlomo pg 233 holds that it's a little disrespectful to ask to lean in front of your rabbi because the institution of lean was meant to show freedom and showing respect for one's rabbi overrides that and so it's proper not to ask permission. </ref> | ||
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==One who forgot to lean== | ==One who forgot to lean== | ||
# According to Sephardim, if one forgot to lean one has to lean again, even the third and fourth cup for which one shouldn’t drink afterwards. However, Ashkenazim hold that one shouldn’t drink the third or fourth cup again because one can’t drink after the third and fourth cup. Additionally one should have in mind before making the bracha to repeat the first cup if one forgets to lean. If one didn’t have such an intent, one shouldn’t repeat the first cup. <ref> S”A 472:7 writes that if one didn’t lean while eating or drinking one must eat or drink again. This is also the opinion of Rav Ovadyah in Sh”t Chazon Ovadyah 13. Rosh Pesachim 10:20 writes that if you didn't lean for the [[matza]] or four cups you should repeat those while leaning, even though repeating the third and fourth cups may make it seem like we drink more than four. Rama 472:7 adds that since we don’t drink between the third and fourth cup nor do we drink after the fourth cup one shouldn’t drink again because it appears as though one is adding to the established number of cups. However, one should Lechatchila repeat the first two cups if one forgot to drink while leaning. | # According to Sephardim, if one forgot to lean one has to lean again, even the third and fourth cup for which one shouldn’t drink afterwards. However, Ashkenazim hold that one shouldn’t drink the third or fourth cup again because one can’t drink after the third and fourth cup. Additionally one should have in mind before making the bracha to repeat the first cup if one forgets to lean. If one didn’t have such an intent, one shouldn’t repeat the first cup. <ref> S”A 472:7 writes that if one didn’t lean while eating or drinking one must eat or drink again. This is also the opinion of Rav Ovadyah in Sh”t Chazon Ovadyah 13. Rosh Pesachim 10:20 writes that if you didn't lean for the [[matza]] or four cups you should repeat those while leaning, even though repeating the third and fourth cups may make it seem like we drink more than four. Rama 472:7 adds that since we don’t drink between the third and fourth cup nor do we drink after the fourth cup one shouldn’t drink again because it appears as though one is adding to the established number of cups. However, one should Lechatchila repeat the first two cups if one forgot to drink while leaning. Magen Avraham comments that since the minhag is not to drink between the first and second cup (and so, if one does want to drink again one would make a new bracha and it’d appear like on is adding a new cup to the established seder) thus, one should also not repeat the first cup. Nonetheless, to avoid that issue the Magen Avraham suggests that one should have in mind before drinking the first cup that if he forgets to lean he’ll drink again. Mishna Brurah (Beiur Halacha s.v. VeNirah Li), Eliyah Rabbah, and Shulchan Aruch HaRav rule like the Magen Avraham. However, Bach and Avi Ezri argue on the Rama that one does not need to repeat any of [[the four cups of wine]]. So quotes the Bear Heteiv in the name of the Chok Yacov and Agudah. </ref> | ||
# Bedieved, after the fact (when it can not to repeated) according to Ashkenazim one has fulfilled their requirement. <ref> Rama 472:7 says that Bedieved one can rely on the Ravyah 525 that nowadays it’s not a practice of royalty to lean and so one fulfills their mitzvah without leaning. </ref> | # Bedieved, after the fact (when it can not to repeated) according to Ashkenazim one has fulfilled their requirement. <ref> Rama 472:7 says that Bedieved one can rely on the Ravyah 525 that nowadays it’s not a practice of royalty to lean and so one fulfills their mitzvah without leaning. </ref> | ||
# If one forgot to lean while eating [[Matzah]] (of Motzei [[Matzah]]) one must repeat eating a Kezayeit of [[Matzah]]. <ref> Even though the initial requirement of [[Matzah]] during Motzei [[Matzah]] is 2 Kezaytim, Mishna Brurah 472:22 rules that one only needs to repeat to eat one [[Kezayit]] of [[matzah]]. </ref> | # If one forgot to lean while eating [[Matzah]] (of Motzei [[Matzah]]) one must repeat eating a Kezayeit of [[Matzah]]. <ref> Even though the initial requirement of [[Matzah]] during Motzei [[Matzah]] is 2 Kezaytim, Mishna Brurah 472:22 rules that one only needs to repeat to eat one [[Kezayit]] of [[matzah]]. </ref> | ||
