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# If a [[Kli Sh’Melachto LeIssur]] is picked up in a permitted way one may move it to any place one wishes. <Ref>Shemirat [[Shabbat]] KeHilchata 20:10 </ref> | # If a [[Kli Sh’Melachto LeIssur]] is picked up in a permitted way one may move it to any place one wishes. <Ref>Shemirat [[Shabbat]] KeHilchata 20:10 </ref> | ||
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# Many authorities hold that a [[Kli Sh’Melachto LeIssur]] item shouldn’t be used for a permitted use if there’s a permitted item available that serves the same function, yet some argue and one has what to rely on. <Ref> Mishna Brurah 308:12 writes that if there’s another permitted kli available one shouldn’t use the [[Kli Sh’Melachto LeIssur]]. The following achronim bring this Mishna Brurah as halacha: Kaf HaChaim 308:22, Igrot Moshe O”C 5:21(12), Sh”t Shevet HaLevi 1:127(9), and Sh”t Az Nidbaru 8:31,64. However, the Kesot Hashulchan (Badei HaShulchan 108:14), and Shemirat [[Shabbat]] KeHilchata 20:8 question the Mishna Brurah and leave it unresolved (the Shemirat [[Shabbat]] KeHilchata says it’s preferable to use the other permitted kli). Lastly, the Sh”t Bear Moshe 8:74-5, Daat Torah 308:3, Yalkut Yosef ([[Shabbat]] vol 2 pg 413), Chazon Ovadia v. 3 p. 50, Megilat Sefer Shabbat p. 257, and Sh”t [[Tefillah]] LeMoshe 1:17 rule against the Mishna Brurah that even if there’s a permitted item to use, one may use the forbidden one. </ref> | # Many authorities hold that a [[Kli Sh’Melachto LeIssur]] item shouldn’t be used for a permitted use if there’s a permitted item available that serves the same function, yet some argue and one has what to rely on. <Ref> Mishna Brurah 308:12 writes that if there’s another permitted kli available one shouldn’t use the [[Kli Sh’Melachto LeIssur]]. See Mishna Brurah 308:57 who writes that if it is possible to move a kli shemelachto lisur or heter according to the taz it is permitted to move either one but according to the Eliyah Rabba one should specifically move the kli shemelachto lheter. | ||
The following achronim bring this Mishna Brurah's stringency as halacha: Kaf HaChaim 308:22, Igrot Moshe O”C 5:21(12), Sh”t Shevet HaLevi 1:127(9), and Sh”t Az Nidbaru 8:31,64. However, the Kesot Hashulchan (Badei HaShulchan 108:14), and Shemirat [[Shabbat]] KeHilchata 20:8 question the Mishna Brurah and leave it unresolved (the Shemirat [[Shabbat]] KeHilchata says it’s preferable to use the other permitted kli). Lastly, the Sh”t Bear Moshe 8:74-5, Daat Torah 308:3, Yalkut Yosef ([[Shabbat]] vol 2 pg 413), Chazon Ovadia v. 3 p. 50, Megilat Sefer Shabbat p. 257, and Sh”t [[Tefillah]] LeMoshe 1:17 rule against the Mishna Brurah that even if there’s a permitted item to use, one may use the forbidden one. </ref> | |||
#Some define ‘available’ as within the same room, meaning, that there’s if there’s a Kli Sh’Melachto LeHeter in the same room as a [[Kli Sh’Melachto LeIssur]], one must use the Kli Sh’Melachto LeHeter, however, if the permitted one is in another room, one may use the [[Kli Sh’Melachto LeIssur]]. <Ref> Sefer Tiltulei [[Shabbat]] (pg 38) in the name of Rav Moshe Feinstein. [A similar idea is found in Sh”t Chesev HaEfod 3:80 (quoted by Piskei Teshuvot 308:5) and Shemirat [[Shabbat]] KeHilchata (chapter 20 note 19).]</ref> | #Some define ‘available’ as within the same room, meaning, that there’s if there’s a Kli Sh’Melachto LeHeter in the same room as a [[Kli Sh’Melachto LeIssur]], one must use the Kli Sh’Melachto LeHeter, however, if the permitted one is in another room, one may use the [[Kli Sh’Melachto LeIssur]]. <Ref> Sefer Tiltulei [[Shabbat]] (pg 38) in the name of Rav Moshe Feinstein. [A similar idea is found in Sh”t Chesev HaEfod 3:80 (quoted by Piskei Teshuvot 308:5) and Shemirat [[Shabbat]] KeHilchata (chapter 20 note 19).]</ref> | ||
# It’s permitted to move the [[Kli Sh’Melachto LeIssur]] for a permitted use even if one’s primary intent is to move the object to protect it from breaking. Some limit to where there’s a loss of money. <Ref> Magen Avraham 308:8 and Mishna Brurah 308:16 write that as long as one uses the [[Kli Sh’Melachto LeIssur]] for a permitted use even if one’s primary intent is to move the [[Kli Sh’Melachto LeIssur]] for it’s protection it’s permissible. The Aruch HaShulchan 308:14 limits this leniency to where there’s a loss of money as is in the case of the source and Magen Avraham. Tiltulei [[Shabbat]] pg 40 agrees.</ref> | # It’s permitted to move the [[Kli Sh’Melachto LeIssur]] for a permitted use even if one’s primary intent is to move the object to protect it from breaking. Some limit to where there’s a loss of money. <Ref> Magen Avraham 308:8 and Mishna Brurah 308:16 write that as long as one uses the [[Kli Sh’Melachto LeIssur]] for a permitted use even if one’s primary intent is to move the [[Kli Sh’Melachto LeIssur]] for it’s protection it’s permissible. The Aruch HaShulchan 308:14 limits this leniency to where there’s a loss of money as is in the case of the source and Magen Avraham. Tiltulei [[Shabbat]] pg 40 agrees.</ref> | ||
