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# Some authorities hold that the Biblical obligation is discharged with the prayer in Shul and the Kiddish at home is entirely Derabbanan. <ref> Magan Avraham 271:1 writes that since the Rambam and Tosfot hold that the Deorittah part of Kiddish is that it is stated orally, one should be able to fulfill this obligation with one's Arvit prayer in Shul. This is quoted as halacha by the Bear Hetiev 271:2. However, there is a great discussion in the achronim and many argue on the Magan Avraham including. Mishna Brurah 271:2 (based on the Tosfet [[Shabbat]] 271:3) argues that since one doesn't have intention to fulfill the obligation of Zachor, the prayer in shul doesn't fulfill the obligation of Kiddish. There is a dispute whether a women's lighting [[Shabbat]] candles can fulfill Kiddish Deoritta, Sh"t Mishneh Halachot 7:37 holding that it can fulfill the Deoritta obligation, while Sh"t Az Nidabru 12:1 strongly disagrees. </ref> | # Some authorities hold that the Biblical obligation is discharged with the prayer in Shul and the Kiddish at home is entirely Derabbanan. <ref> Magan Avraham 271:1 writes that since the Rambam and Tosfot hold that the Deorittah part of Kiddish is that it is stated orally, one should be able to fulfill this obligation with one's Arvit prayer in Shul. This is quoted as halacha by the Bear Hetiev 271:2. However, there is a great discussion in the achronim and many argue on the Magan Avraham including. Mishna Brurah 271:2 (based on the Tosfet [[Shabbat]] 271:3) argues that since one doesn't have intention to fulfill the obligation of Zachor, the prayer in shul doesn't fulfill the obligation of Kiddish. There is a dispute whether a women's lighting [[Shabbat]] candles can fulfill Kiddish Deoritta, Sh"t Mishneh Halachot 7:37 holding that it can fulfill the Deoritta obligation, while Sh"t Az Nidabru 12:1 strongly disagrees. </ref> | ||
# In order to fulfill this obligation, one should drink most of a cup that contains at least a [[reviit]]. <ref> S"A 272:13. For how much a reviit is see [[Reviit]]. Mishna Brurah 272:30 rules that the obligation to have most of a reviit applies regardless of which drink you use for kiddush. Rav Tzvi Pesach Frank in Har Tzvi 1:159 says that since the Taz (210:1) holds that one would be obligated to say a beracha acharona on less than a reviit of liquor because less than that already is considered to be significant enough for a beracha acharona, the same would apply for how much you need to drink for kiddish. Mishna Berura 190:14 disagrees about the beracha acharona as well, quoting the Magen Avraham 190. </ref> | # In order to fulfill this obligation, one should drink most of a cup that contains at least a [[reviit]]. <ref> S"A 272:13. For how much a reviit is see [[Reviit]]. Mishna Brurah 272:30 rules that the obligation to have most of a reviit applies regardless of which drink you use for kiddush. Rav Tzvi Pesach Frank in Har Tzvi 1:159 says that since the Taz (210:1) holds that one would be obligated to say a beracha acharona on less than a reviit of liquor because less than that already is considered to be significant enough for a beracha acharona, the same would apply for how much you need to drink for kiddish. Mishna Berura 190:14 disagrees about the beracha acharona as well, quoting the Magen Avraham 190. </ref> | ||
==Amount to Drink== | |||
# For Kiddish, one should drink a Reviyit which is measured to be 4.4oz. <ref>Haggadah Kol Dodi (Rabbi Dovid Feinstein, 5730, pg 4) writes that the Reviyit for kiddush on Shabbat (using the method of measuring finger-widths) should be 4.42 oz.</ref> | |||
==Kiddish in Shul== | ==Kiddish in Shul== | ||
# In the days of the gemara, the Rabbis instituted a Kiddish in shul for the travelers who would eat and drink in the Shul. Even though nowadays this isn't the case, some hold that the practice remains, while others say that it's preferable not to make Kiddish in Shul. <ref>Shulchan Aruch 269:1 writes that it's preferable not to follow this minhag. However, Mishna Brurah 269:5 writes that this is the common minhag and one shouldn't uproot it. </ref> | # In the days of the gemara, the Rabbis instituted a Kiddish in shul for the travelers who would eat and drink in the Shul. Even though nowadays this isn't the case, some hold that the practice remains, while others say that it's preferable not to make Kiddish in Shul. <ref>Shulchan Aruch 269:1 writes that it's preferable not to follow this minhag. However, Mishna Brurah 269:5 writes that this is the common minhag and one shouldn't uproot it. </ref> | ||
# This minhag applies to [[Shabbat]] and [[Yom Tov]] execpt for the first day of [[Yom Tov]] of Pesach (and second in Chutz LaAretz). <ref>Mishna Brurah 269:5, BeYitchak Yikra adds second day in chutz learetz </ref> | # This minhag applies to [[Shabbat]] and [[Yom Tov]] execpt for the first day of [[Yom Tov]] of Pesach (and second in Chutz LaAretz). <ref>Mishna Brurah 269:5, BeYitchak Yikra adds second day in chutz learetz </ref> | ||
# The one making Kiddish in shul shouldn't drink from the wine but rather give it to children to drink. Some say that the children should be below the age of chinuch (6 or 7) while others say that it's better to give it a child above that age. If one doesn't have children there to give the wine the | # The one making Kiddish in shul shouldn't drink from the wine but rather give it to children to drink. Some say that the children should be below the age of chinuch (6 or 7) while others say that it's better to give it a child above that age. If one doesn't have children there to give the wine the one making Kiddish should drink a reviyit, make a bracha achrona and have intent to fulfill the mitzvah of kiddish. <ref>Mishna Brurah 269:1 </ref> | ||
# The minhag is to stand for this kiddish. <ref> Rama 269:1 </ref> | # The minhag is to stand for this kiddish. <ref> Rama 269:1 </ref> | ||
