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# If there's no wine available for [[Shabbat]] lunch one should use Chamar Medina for kiddush. If one doesn't even have Chamar Medina, one should just say hamotzi and eat the bread, and if he doesn't even have bread one may eat without Kiddish. <ref> S"A 289:2, Mishna Brurah 289:10. The logic behind not using bread for kiddish during the day is explained by MB 272:31 that if one were to recite the daytime kiddish over bread, it would be the same procedure as if he wasn't saying kiddush at all. Therefore, to make it apparent that we are saying kiddish also, we say a beracha that wouldn't normally be recited, even if that is a shehakol. As for the definition of chamar medina Mishnah Berura 272:24 says that even beer is only permitted in a place where it is a common drink. In MB 272:25 he prohibits the use of milk or oil, and in MB 272:30 he permits the use of liquor. Rav Avigdor Neventzahl in Biyitzchak Yikare footnote 25 says that according to Rav Shlomo Zalman Auerbach milk is not allowed even in places where it is commonly used like Switzerland. He also says that juice, tea, or coffee maybe permitted but soda is definitely not because it is just like water. Rav Moshe Feinstein in Iggerot Moshe OC 2:75 defines chamar medina as something you would serve to guests who you want to show respect to. Also see Shevet Halevi 3:26 and 5:32 where Rav Vosner says even where you have wine, chamar medina can be used because in the times of the gemara, wine was far more widespread. Today however, most people do not drink wine so often so other drinks are not inferior to wine for kiddish. </ref> | # If there's no wine available for [[Shabbat]] lunch one should use Chamar Medina for kiddush. If one doesn't even have Chamar Medina, one should just say hamotzi and eat the bread, and if he doesn't even have bread one may eat without Kiddish. <ref> S"A 289:2, Mishna Brurah 289:10. The logic behind not using bread for kiddish during the day is explained by MB 272:31 that if one were to recite the daytime kiddish over bread, it would be the same procedure as if he wasn't saying kiddush at all. Therefore, to make it apparent that we are saying kiddish also, we say a beracha that wouldn't normally be recited, even if that is a shehakol. As for the definition of chamar medina Mishnah Berura 272:24 says that even beer is only permitted in a place where it is a common drink. In MB 272:25 he prohibits the use of milk or oil, and in MB 272:30 he permits the use of liquor. Rav Avigdor Neventzahl in Biyitzchak Yikare footnote 25 says that according to Rav Shlomo Zalman Auerbach milk is not allowed even in places where it is commonly used like Switzerland. He also says that juice, tea, or coffee maybe permitted but soda is definitely not because it is just like water. Rav Moshe Feinstein in Iggerot Moshe OC 2:75 defines chamar medina as something you would serve to guests who you want to show respect to. Also see Shevet Halevi 3:26 and 5:32 where Rav Vosner says even where you have wine, chamar medina can be used because in the times of the gemara, wine was far more widespread. Today however, most people do not drink wine so often so other drinks are not inferior to wine for kiddish. </ref> | ||
# According to Sephardim, one should only use Chamar Medina for [[Shabbat]] lunch if the wine isn't available in the city but if it's just expensive one should use wine and not Chamar Medina. <ref>Yalkut Yosef ([[Shabbat]], vol 1, pg 289) </ref> According to Ashkenazim, if the wine is expensive one may use Chamar Medina for the daytime Kiddish and one who uses wine is fulfilling a preferred mitzvah. <Ref>Mishna Brurah 272:29 </ref> | # According to Sephardim, one should only use Chamar Medina for [[Shabbat]] lunch if the wine isn't available in the city but if it's just expensive one should use wine and not Chamar Medina. <ref>Yalkut Yosef ([[Shabbat]], vol 1, pg 289) </ref> According to Ashkenazim, if the wine is expensive one may use Chamar Medina for the daytime Kiddish and one who uses wine is fulfilling a preferred mitzvah. <Ref>Mishna Brurah 272:29 </ref> | ||
# One may not use soda for Kiddish because soda isn't considered Chamar Medina.<ref>Sh"t Igrot Moshe 2:75 rules that soda is just like water and can not be used for Kiddish.</ref> | |||
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