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# For Shabbat day, the accepted custom is to sit. <ref> Rav Moshe Shternbuch (Teshuvot V’hanhagot #254) writes that even those who stand for Friday night Kiddish should sit for Shabbat day Kiddish because the reason of standing for Vayichulu and continuing doesn't apply as there is no Vayichulu, nor is there a Shabbat queen to greet. </ref> | # For Shabbat day, the accepted custom is to sit. <ref> Rav Moshe Shternbuch (Teshuvot V’hanhagot #254) writes that even those who stand for Friday night Kiddish should sit for Shabbat day Kiddish because the reason of standing for Vayichulu and continuing doesn't apply as there is no Vayichulu, nor is there a Shabbat queen to greet. </ref> | ||
# For Yom Tov Kiddish, the universal custom is to sit. <ref> Sh"t Igrot Moshe 5:16 writes that the only reason to stand the entire Kiddish on Shabbat is because once one is standing for Vayichulu one can continue standing for the rest of the Kiddish, however since there's no Vayichulu on Yom Tov one must sit according to all opinions. </ref> | # For Yom Tov Kiddish, the universal custom is to sit. <ref> Sh"t Igrot Moshe 5:16 writes that the only reason to stand the entire Kiddish on Shabbat is because once one is standing for Vayichulu one can continue standing for the rest of the Kiddish, however since there's no Vayichulu on Yom Tov one must sit according to all opinions. </ref> | ||
==If there is no wine== | |||
#If there is no wine Friday night,kiddush may be recited over chamar medina (beer or any other drink which is common in that place besides for water), but preferably should be recited over the bread, and one should hold the bread in his hands throughout the kiddush. <ref> SA 272:9 and Rama there quoting the Rosh that the bread is considered more important than chamar medina. Mishnah Berura 272:28. </ref> | |||
#If there's no wine available during shabbat lunch, priority should be given to chamar medina over the use of the bread. If one doesn't even have Chamar Medina, one should just say hamotzi and eat the bread, and if he doesn't even have bread one may eat without Kiddish. <ref> S"A 289:2, Mishna Brurah 289:10. The logic behind not using bread for kiddish during the day is explained by MB 272:31 that if one were to recite the daytime kiddish over bread, it would be the same procedure as if he wasn't saying kiddush at all. Therefore, to make it apparent that we are saying kiddish also, we say a beracha that wouldn't normally be recited, even if that is a shehakol. As for the definition of chamar medina Mishnah Berura 272:24 says that even beer is only permitted in a place where it is a common drink. In MB 272:25 he prohibits the use of milk or oil, and in MB 272:30 he permits the use of liquor. Rav Moshe Feinstein in Iggerot Moshe OC 2:75 defines chamar medina as something you would serve to guests who you want to show respect to. Also see Shevet Halevi 3:26 and 5:32 where Rav Vosner says even where you have wine, chamar medina can be used because in the times of the gemara, wine was far more widespread. Today however, most people do not drink wine so often so other drinks are not inferior to wine for kiddish. </ref> | |||
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