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# It's forbidden to taste anything before Kiddish. <ref> Rambam (Hilchot Shabbat 29:10) and S"A 289:1 rule that since there's an obligation to make Kiddish it's forbidden to eat anything before Kiddish just like the Kiddish of Friday night. </ref> | # It's forbidden to taste anything before Kiddish. <ref> Rambam (Hilchot Shabbat 29:10) and S"A 289:1 rule that since there's an obligation to make Kiddish it's forbidden to eat anything before Kiddish just like the Kiddish of Friday night. </ref> | ||
# It's permissible to drink water before Shacharit on Shabbat day since the obligation of Kiddish doesn't apply until one prayed. <ref> Tur writes in the name of his father, the Rosh, and S"A 289:1 </ref> | # It's permissible to drink water before Shacharit on Shabbat day since the obligation of Kiddish doesn't apply until one prayed. <ref> Tur writes in the name of his father, the Rosh, and S"A 289:1 </ref> | ||
==Eating before Mussaf== | |||
# <div id="eatingbeforemussaf"></div> Once the time for Mussaf (from Olot HaShachar) it’s forbidden to eat a meal (more than a KeBaytzah of bread) before praying Mussaf, however, it’s permissible to have a KeBaytzah of bread or a lot of fruit. <Ref>The Gemara Brachot 28b writes that the halacha doesn’t follow Rav Huna who says that it’s forbidden to taste any food before praying Mussaf. The Tur 286:3 writes that even though we don’t hold like Rav Huna we only permit have a snack but a meal is forbidden. The Bet Yosef quotes the Raavad, Rashba, and perhaps the Rabbenu Yerucham who agree. S”A 286:3 writes that it’s forbidden to eat a meal before praying Mussaf but it’s permissible to have a snack. The Magan Avraham 286:2 writes that the snack is the same as before Mincha where S”A 232:3 writes that one may have a KeBaytzah of bread and a lot of fruit but not more. </ref> | |||
# The custom is to be lenient to permit eating even more than a Kabaytzah of baked Mezonot (cakes and cookies) before Mussaf after having made Kiddish. <Ref>Shaar HaTzion 286:7 writes that the measure for a meal before mussaf in regards to baked mezonot is the same as by Sukkah. Mishna Brurah 639:15-6 (regarding Sukkah) quotes some who say that if one establishes a meal out of the Pas HaBah Bekisnin certainly it requires a Sukkah. However, if one didn’t have it as a meal if one had more than a KeBaytzah then there’s a dispute whether one needs a Sukkah and if one eats less than a KeBaytzah then certainly it doesn’t require a Sukkah. Nonetheless, Halichot Shlomo (Tefillah 14:9, pg 179-80) writes that the minhag is to lenient to have even more than a Kabaytzah of baked mezonot. </ref> | |||
# If one does eat before Mussaf one must first do Kiddish and have a Reviyit of wine or eat a Kezayit of baked mezonot (cakes and cookies) in order to fulfill Kiddish. <Ref>Magan Avraham 286:1, Buir Halacha 286:3 D”H Achilat, Mishna Brurah 286:7, Shemirat Shabbat KeHilchata 52:17</ref> | |||
==Washing before or after Kiddish== | ==Washing before or after Kiddish== | ||
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# For Shabbat day, the accepted custom is to sit. <ref> Rav Moshe Shternbuch (Teshuvot V’hanhagot #254) writes that even those who stand for Friday night Kiddish should sit for Shabbat day Kiddish because the reason of standing for Vayichulu and continuing doesn't apply as there is no Vayichulu, nor is there a Shabbat queen to greet. </ref> | # For Shabbat day, the accepted custom is to sit. <ref> Rav Moshe Shternbuch (Teshuvot V’hanhagot #254) writes that even those who stand for Friday night Kiddish should sit for Shabbat day Kiddish because the reason of standing for Vayichulu and continuing doesn't apply as there is no Vayichulu, nor is there a Shabbat queen to greet. </ref> | ||
# For Yom Tov Kiddish, the universal custom is to sit. <ref> Sh"t Igrot Moshe 5:16 writes that the only reason to stand the entire Kiddish on Shabbat is because once one is standing for Vayichulu one can continue standing for the rest of the Kiddish, however since there's no Vayichulu on Yom Tov one must sit according to all opinions. </ref> | # For Yom Tov Kiddish, the universal custom is to sit. <ref> Sh"t Igrot Moshe 5:16 writes that the only reason to stand the entire Kiddish on Shabbat is because once one is standing for Vayichulu one can continue standing for the rest of the Kiddish, however since there's no Vayichulu on Yom Tov one must sit according to all opinions. </ref> | ||
==Questions and Answers== | |||
# Is it permissible to have Kiddish before Mussaf? [[Kiddush#eatingebforemussaf click here]] | |||
== Sources == | == Sources == | ||
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