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* The Tiferet Shmuel on Rosh Pesachim 10:15:10 seems to have another understanding of the Rosh in which he assumes that those who are listening to the kiddush and have their own cups don't need their cups to be valid for kiddush and may be drunk from beforehand (like the Raah). However, the Divrei Chamudot Pesachim 10:15:36 understood the Rosh as above.</ref> Some disagree.<ref>The Raah cited by Bet Yosef 182:4 writes that those listening don't have to have valid cups for kiddush. The Shulchan Aruch 182:4 cites that opinion as a minority view.</ref> | * The Tiferet Shmuel on Rosh Pesachim 10:15:10 seems to have another understanding of the Rosh in which he assumes that those who are listening to the kiddush and have their own cups don't need their cups to be valid for kiddush and may be drunk from beforehand (like the Raah). However, the Divrei Chamudot Pesachim 10:15:36 understood the Rosh as above.</ref> Some disagree.<ref>The Raah cited by Bet Yosef 182:4 writes that those listening don't have to have valid cups for kiddush. The Shulchan Aruch 182:4 cites that opinion as a minority view.</ref> | ||
# The one reciting kiddush doesn't have to pour off into their cups unless their cups are invalid for kiddush as they drank from them already. In such a case the one reciting kiddush can pour off from his cup into the others so that they are considered valid for kiddush.<ref>Tosfot Pesachim 106a s.v. gachin, Tosfot Brachot 47a s.v. ein, Rosh Pesachim 10:16, Rosh Brachot 7:15, Shulchan Aruch OC 271:17</ref> | # The one reciting kiddush doesn't have to pour off into their cups unless their cups are invalid for kiddush as they drank from them already. In such a case the one reciting kiddush can pour off from his cup into the others so that they are considered valid for kiddush.<ref>Tosfot Pesachim 106a s.v. gachin, Tosfot Brachot 47a s.v. ein, Rosh Pesachim 10:16, Rosh Brachot 7:15, Shulchan Aruch OC 271:17</ref> | ||
# Some say that for kiddush by day those listening to kiddush must drink from the kiddush cup.<ref> | |||
[https://www.yutorah.org/sidebar/lecture.cfm/856129/rabbi-hershel-schachter/inyonei-sefiras-haomer-nowadays-women-before-kiddush-beit-din-bein-hashmashos-shomea-keoneh/ Rav Schachter Inyonei Sefirat Haomer 5776 towards the very end] quoted the Torah Temimah and Netsiv that it is possible that one doesn’t fulfill one’s obligation if one doesn’t drink wine at the kiddush of the day specifically.</ref> | |||
==Eating before Mussaf== | ==Eating before Mussaf== | ||
# <div id="eatingbeforemussaf"></div> Once the time for [[Mussaf]] (from [[Olot HaShachar]]) it’s forbidden to eat a meal (more than a [[KeBaytzah]] of bread) before praying [[Mussaf]], however, it’s permissible to have a [[KeBaytzah]] of bread or a lot of fruit. <Ref>The Gemara [[Brachot]] 28b writes that the halacha doesn’t follow Rav Huna who says that it’s forbidden to taste any food before praying [[Mussaf]]. The Tur 286:3 writes that even though we don’t hold like Rav Huna we only permit have a snack but a meal is forbidden. The Bet Yosef quotes the Raavad, Rashba, and perhaps the Rabbenu Yerucham who agree. S”A 286:3 writes that it’s forbidden to eat a meal before praying [[Mussaf]] but it’s permissible to have a snack. The Magen Avraham 286:2 writes that the snack is the same as before [[Mincha]] where S”A 232:3 writes that one may have a [[KeBaytzah]] of bread and a lot of fruit but not more. Kitzur Shulchan Aruch 77:15 agrees. See Rav Mordechai Eliyahu's comment on Kitzur Shulchan Aruch 77:15 where he writes that we only rely on this in situations of pressing need.</ref> | # <div id="eatingbeforemussaf"></div> Once the time for [[Mussaf]] (from [[Olot HaShachar]]) it’s forbidden to eat a meal (more than a [[KeBaytzah]] of bread) before praying [[Mussaf]], however, it’s permissible to have a [[KeBaytzah]] of bread or a lot of fruit. <Ref>The Gemara [[Brachot]] 28b writes that the halacha doesn’t follow Rav Huna who says that it’s forbidden to taste any food before praying [[Mussaf]]. The Tur 286:3 writes that even though we don’t hold like Rav Huna we only permit have a snack but a meal is forbidden. The Bet Yosef quotes the Raavad, Rashba, and perhaps the Rabbenu Yerucham who agree. S”A 286:3 writes that it’s forbidden to eat a meal before praying [[Mussaf]] but it’s permissible to have a snack. The Magen Avraham 286:2 writes that the snack is the same as before [[Mincha]] where S”A 232:3 writes that one may have a [[KeBaytzah]] of bread and a lot of fruit but not more. Kitzur Shulchan Aruch 77:15 agrees. See Rav Mordechai Eliyahu's comment on Kitzur Shulchan Aruch 77:15 where he writes that we only rely on this in situations of pressing need.</ref> | ||
