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# Someone who is sick and needs to eat before davening on Shabbat, according to Ashkenazim should recite Kiddush beforehand unless one doesn't eat a kezayit of mezonot within a kdei achilat pras,<ref>Mishna Brurah (Biur Halacha 289:1 s.v. chovat) and Igrot Moshe OC 2:26:2 write that someone who is sick and needs to eat before davening on Shabbat should make kiddush unless he doesn't need to eat pat haba bekisnin. Piskei Teshuvot 289:8 note 63 writes that the best option is for the sick person not to have a kezayit of pat haba bekisnin within a kedi achilat pras which wouldn't obligate kiddush.</ref> while according to Sephardim it isn't necessary.<Ref>Yabia Omer OC 8:31 and Or Letzion 2:20:14 write that someone who is sick and needs to eat before davening on Shabbat does not need to make kiddush. See also Kaf Hachaim 276:28 who is lenient in extenuating circumstances. See Chazon Ovadia (Shabbat v. 2 p. 149) where Rav Ovadia recommends that a sick person who needs to eat bread or pat haba bekisnin before davening should recite kiddush.</ref> | # Someone who is sick and needs to eat before davening on Shabbat, according to Ashkenazim should recite Kiddush beforehand unless one doesn't eat a kezayit of mezonot within a kdei achilat pras,<ref>Mishna Brurah (Biur Halacha 289:1 s.v. chovat) and Igrot Moshe OC 2:26:2 write that someone who is sick and needs to eat before davening on Shabbat should make kiddush unless he doesn't need to eat pat haba bekisnin. Piskei Teshuvot 289:8 note 63 writes that the best option is for the sick person not to have a kezayit of pat haba bekisnin within a kedi achilat pras which wouldn't obligate kiddush.</ref> while according to Sephardim it isn't necessary.<Ref>Yabia Omer OC 8:31 and Or Letzion 2:20:14 write that someone who is sick and needs to eat before davening on Shabbat does not need to make kiddush. See also Kaf Hachaim 276:28 who is lenient in extenuating circumstances. See Chazon Ovadia (Shabbat v. 2 p. 149) where Rav Ovadia recommends that a sick person who needs to eat bread or pat haba bekisnin before davening should recite kiddush.</ref> | ||
==Listening to Kiddush== | |||
# Those who are listening to the kiddush shouldn't drink until the making the kiddush drinks.<ref>Gemara Brachot 47a</ref> However, if they each have their own cup they may drink without waiting.<ref>Yerushalmi, Tosfot Brachot 47a, Tosfot Pesachim 106a s.v. gachin, Maharam Chalavah Pesachim 106a s.v. chazyey, Shulchan Aruch 271:16</ref> | |||
# Those listening to kiddush don't have to drink to fulfill their obligation but it is a mitzvah for them to drink.<ref> | |||
Eruvin 40b and Pesachim 108b imply that only the one drinking needs to drink and no one else but Pesachim 106a and perhaps 108b imply that everyone listening should drink. The Rosh Pesachim 10:16 writes that although each person listening to kiddush doesn't need to drink wine to fulfill his obligation, there is nonetheless an added mitzvah to do so. Tosfot Pesachim 99b s.v. lo originally assumes that those listening to the kiddush doesn't need to drink but afterwards questions that assumption. The Rambam Shabbat 29:7 implies that there is an obligation for everyone to drink. Maggid Mishna 29:7 just adds that those listening don't need to drink a melo lugmav. Shulchan Aruch OC 271:14 rules like the Rosh that as long as the one reciting kiddush drinks that is sufficient for everyone to fulfill their obligation but it is a mitzvah for them to drink. Mishna Brurah 271:83 agrees.</ref> They don't need their own cup and may drink from the cup of kiddush.<ref>Shulchan Aruch 271:14</ref> It isn't considered invalid for kiddush after the one reciting the kiddush drank and then they drink.<ref>Shaar Hatziyun 271:89 explains that even though if those listening had their own cup they should ensure that the cup should be valid for kiddush and not drunk from beforehand, however, if they are drinking from the kiddush cup after the one who recited kiddush drank it isn't considered invalid as their drinking is considered part of the original drinking of the one who recited kiddush.</ref> | |||
# If those listening want to have their own cup to fulfill this added mitzvah to drink wine after kiddush they may do so. If they do so they should have a cup that is valid for kiddush and we view it as though they are all reciting their own kiddush over their cup of wine.<ref>Rosh Pesachim 10:16 writes that the wine in each person's cup has to be fixed and not drunk from beforehand in order for them to use it for drinking at kiddush even though they aren't reciting the kiddush. He explains that since they are listening to kiddush and going to drink wine from their own cup it is considered as though they are reciting their own kiddush over their own cup. If so that cup should be valid for kiddush. Tur 182:4, Tosfot Pesachim 106a s.v. hava, Tosfot Brachot 47a s.v. ein, and Ohel Moed 6:6 cited by Bet Yosef 182:2 agree. The Shulchan Aruch OC 271:17 accepts the Rosh. | |||
* The Tiferet Shmuel on Rosh Pesachim 10:15:10 seems to have another understanding of the Rosh in which he assumes that those who are listening to the kiddush and have their own cups don't need their cups to be valid for kiddush and may be drunk from beforehand (like the Raah). However, the Divrei Chamudot Pesachim 10:15:36 understood the Rosh as above.</ref> Some disagree.<ref>The Raah cited by Bet Yosef 182:4 writes that those listening don't have to have valid cups for kiddush. The Shulchan Aruch 182:4 cites that opinion as a minority view.</ref> | |||
# The one reciting kiddush doesn't have to pour off into their cups unless their cups are invalid for kiddush as they drank from them already. In such a case the one reciting kiddush can pour off from his cup into the others so that they are considered valid for kiddush.<ref>Tosfot Pesachim 106a s.v. gachin, Tosfot Brachot 47a s.v. ein, Rosh Pesachim 10:16, Rosh Brachot 7:15, Shulchan Aruch OC 271:17</ref> | |||
==Eating before Mussaf== | ==Eating before Mussaf== | ||
# <div id="eatingbeforemussaf"></div> Once the time for [[Mussaf]] (from [[Olot HaShachar]]) it’s forbidden to eat a meal (more than a [[KeBaytzah]] of bread) before praying [[Mussaf]], however, it’s permissible to have a [[KeBaytzah]] of bread or a lot of fruit. <Ref>The Gemara [[Brachot]] 28b writes that the halacha doesn’t follow Rav Huna who says that it’s forbidden to taste any food before praying [[Mussaf]]. The Tur 286:3 writes that even though we don’t hold like Rav Huna we only permit have a snack but a meal is forbidden. The Bet Yosef quotes the Raavad, Rashba, and perhaps the Rabbenu Yerucham who agree. S”A 286:3 writes that it’s forbidden to eat a meal before praying [[Mussaf]] but it’s permissible to have a snack. The Magen Avraham 286:2 writes that the snack is the same as before [[Mincha]] where S”A 232:3 writes that one may have a [[KeBaytzah]] of bread and a lot of fruit but not more. Kitzur Shulchan Aruch 77:15 agrees. See Rav Mordechai Eliyahu's comment on Kitzur Shulchan Aruch 77:15 where he writes that we only rely on this in situations of pressing need.</ref> | # <div id="eatingbeforemussaf"></div> Once the time for [[Mussaf]] (from [[Olot HaShachar]]) it’s forbidden to eat a meal (more than a [[KeBaytzah]] of bread) before praying [[Mussaf]], however, it’s permissible to have a [[KeBaytzah]] of bread or a lot of fruit. <Ref>The Gemara [[Brachot]] 28b writes that the halacha doesn’t follow Rav Huna who says that it’s forbidden to taste any food before praying [[Mussaf]]. The Tur 286:3 writes that even though we don’t hold like Rav Huna we only permit have a snack but a meal is forbidden. The Bet Yosef quotes the Raavad, Rashba, and perhaps the Rabbenu Yerucham who agree. S”A 286:3 writes that it’s forbidden to eat a meal before praying [[Mussaf]] but it’s permissible to have a snack. The Magen Avraham 286:2 writes that the snack is the same as before [[Mincha]] where S”A 232:3 writes that one may have a [[KeBaytzah]] of bread and a lot of fruit but not more. Kitzur Shulchan Aruch 77:15 agrees. See Rav Mordechai Eliyahu's comment on Kitzur Shulchan Aruch 77:15 where he writes that we only rely on this in situations of pressing need.</ref> | ||
