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# In the place where one made [[Kiddish]] one should make sure to have a meal there. <ref>Shmuel in Gemara Pesachim 101a says that one should only say Kiddush in the place where one is going to have a meal. The Rosh (Pesachim 10:5) says that this is based on the pasuk "VeKarata LeShabbat Oneg" which Chazal explain with "Kriyah" as a reference to Kiddush and "Oneg" to the meal and so the pasuk means, in the place of Oneg one should have Kriyah. S"A 273:4 and Kitzur S"A 77:14 codify this as the halacha.</ref>This applies both for the nighttime and daytime Kiddush.<ref>Kitzur S"A 77:14</ref> | # In the place where one made [[Kiddish]] one should make sure to have a meal there. <ref>Shmuel in Gemara Pesachim 101a says that one should only say Kiddush in the place where one is going to have a meal. The Rosh (Pesachim 10:5) says that this is based on the pasuk "VeKarata LeShabbat Oneg" which Chazal explain with "Kriyah" as a reference to Kiddush and "Oneg" to the meal and so the pasuk means, in the place of Oneg one should have Kriyah. S"A 273:4 and Kitzur S"A 77:14 codify this as the halacha.</ref>This applies both for the nighttime and daytime Kiddush.<ref>Kitzur S"A 77:14</ref> | ||
# One should begin to eat something immediately after [[Kiddish]]. After the fact, as long as one had intent to eat immediately one doesn't need to make [[Kiddish]] again even if one made a long interruption and had a Hesech HaDaat (interruption of thought). However, if one didn't have intent to eat right away and then made an interruption of 72 minutes a new Kiddush is needed. <ref> Preferably, Rama 273:3 writes that one should make one's meal immediately after [[Kiddish]]. Mishna Brurah 273:12 explains that preferably, one should eat one's meal right after [[Kiddish]] without waiting. However, Bedieved, Mishna Brurah 273:12 and Piskei Teshuvot 273:3 based on Aruch HaShulchan 263:1 write that one shouldn't make a new [[Kiddish]] even if one had a long break or made a change in place and returned to the place of the [[Kiddish]]. On the other hand, if one didn't have in mind to eat immediately and then made an interruption, Mishna Brurah 273:14 writes that a new Kiddush is needed. Halichot Olam (vol 3, pg 3) defines this interruption as 72 minutes. </ref> | # One should begin to eat something immediately after [[Kiddish]]. After the fact, as long as one had intent to eat immediately one doesn't need to make [[Kiddish]] again even if one made a long interruption and had a Hesech HaDaat (interruption of thought). However, if one didn't have intent to eat right away and then made an interruption of 72 minutes a new Kiddush is needed. <ref> Preferably, Rama 273:3 writes that one should make one's meal immediately after [[Kiddish]]. Mishna Brurah 273:12 explains that preferably, one should eat one's meal right after [[Kiddish]] without waiting. However, Bedieved, Mishna Brurah 273:12 and Piskei Teshuvot 273:3 based on Aruch HaShulchan 263:1 write that one shouldn't make a new [[Kiddish]] even if one had a long break or made a change in place and returned to the place of the [[Kiddish]]. On the other hand, if one didn't have in mind to eat immediately and then made an interruption, Mishna Brurah 273:14 writes that a new Kiddush is needed. Halichot Olam (vol 3, pg 3) defines this interruption as 72 minutes. </ref> | ||
# In order to have [[Kiddish]] in the place where one eats and that the [[Kiddish]] is considered a proper [[Kiddish]], one must eat at least a [[Kezayit]] of [[mezonot]], bread, or a reviat of wine. <ref> S"A 173:5 writes in name of the Geonim that one can fulfill the obligation to eat in the place of where one makes [[Kiddish]] by eating bread or wine. Magan Avraham 173:10 and Mishna Brurah 173:21 rule that a [[Kezayit]] is needed to fulfill this obligation. Mishna Brurah 173:25 comments that certainly [[mezonot]] fulfills the obligation as it's more significant than wine. Mishna Brurah 173:25 writes in name of Hagahot Rabbi Akiva Eiger and Tosefet [[Shabbat]] that wine doesn't fulfill one's obligation according to many and so one should only rely on this in cases of need. Piskei Teshuvot writes that it seems that there's a dispute between the Magan Avraham 173:11 and the Shaarei Teshuva 289:1 whether one can fulfill one's fulfill with [[mezonot]] that's not Pat HaBah Bekisnin. The Mishna Brurah 173:25 holds like the Magan Avraham and one can fulfill one's obligation by having any [[mezonot]]. Shemirat [[Shabbat]] KeHilchato 52:24, Sh"t Az Nidabru 8:31, Kiddush KeHilchato (pg 195), Sh"t Or Letzion (vol 2, 20:28), and Yalkut Yosef ([[Shabbat]] vol 1 pg 196; Halichot Olam (Vol 3, pg 1)) agree. </ref> | # In order to have [[Kiddish]] in the place where one eats and that the [[Kiddish]] is considered a proper [[Kiddish]], one must eat at least a [[Kezayit]] of [[mezonot]], bread, or a reviat of wine. <ref> S"A 173:5 writes in name of the Geonim that one can fulfill the obligation to eat in the place of where one makes [[Kiddish]] by eating bread or wine. Magan Avraham 173:10 and Mishna Brurah 173:21 rule that a [[Kezayit]] is needed to fulfill this obligation. Mishna Brurah 173:25 comments that certainly [[mezonot]] fulfills the obligation as it's more significant than wine. Mishna Brurah 173:25 writes in name of Hagahot Rabbi Akiva Eiger and Tosefet [[Shabbat]] that wine doesn't fulfill one's obligation according to many and so one should only rely on this in cases of need. Piskei Teshuvot writes that it seems that there's a dispute between the Magan Avraham 173:11 and the Shaarei [[Teshuva]] 289:1 whether one can fulfill one's fulfill with [[mezonot]] that's not Pat HaBah Bekisnin. The Mishna Brurah 173:25 holds like the Magan Avraham and one can fulfill one's obligation by having any [[mezonot]]. Shemirat [[Shabbat]] KeHilchato 52:24, Sh"t Az Nidabru 8:31, Kiddush KeHilchato (pg 195), Sh"t Or Letzion (vol 2, 20:28), and Yalkut Yosef ([[Shabbat]] vol 1 pg 196; Halichot Olam (Vol 3, pg 1)) agree. </ref> | ||
== Women == | == Women == | ||
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# Since women are obligated on a biblical level, they should either listen to their husband or hear another adult make [[Kiddish]] and answer [[Amen]], or say it themselves. <ref> Since women are obligated in [[Kiddish]] on a biblical level, they can definitely make [[Kiddish]] for themselves. Additionally since a man is obligated, a women can fulfill her obligation with the man's [[Kiddish]] as they both have a Deorittah obligation. According the Magan Avraham that one fulfills the Deorittah obligation in [[prayer]], if a man and women have both already prayed, they can fulfill each other's obligation since they have equal obligations. However, if the man prayed and the women didn't, then the man is obligated on a Rabbinical level and the women is obligated on a Biblical level. If so, Rav Yechezkel Landau in Dagul Mirvavah 271:2 asks, whether the women can't fulfill her obligation with the man's reading, or perhaps she can because nonetheless, men are able to fulfill the obligation of others using Arevim Zeh LaZeh (the side is also not definite because the Rosh ([[Brachot]] 3:13 last line) writes that women aren't included in Arevim). He leaves it unanswered and the Kitzur Shulchan Aruch 77:4 writes that it's preferable that women say the [[kiddish]] along with the one making [[Kiddish]] so that they are fulfilling their own obligation. However, the Sh"t Rabbi Akiva Eiger 1:7 argues that certainly women are included in Arevim Zeh LaZeh (and explains that the Rosh was talking about mitzvot that women are exempt from) and so a man with a Derabbanan obligation can fulfill a woman's obligation even if she is has a Deorittah obligation. Aruch HaShulchan 271:6 and Chazon Ovadyah ([[Shabbat]] vol 2 pg 24) concur. </ref> | # Since women are obligated on a biblical level, they should either listen to their husband or hear another adult make [[Kiddish]] and answer [[Amen]], or say it themselves. <ref> Since women are obligated in [[Kiddish]] on a biblical level, they can definitely make [[Kiddish]] for themselves. Additionally since a man is obligated, a women can fulfill her obligation with the man's [[Kiddish]] as they both have a Deorittah obligation. According the Magan Avraham that one fulfills the Deorittah obligation in [[prayer]], if a man and women have both already prayed, they can fulfill each other's obligation since they have equal obligations. However, if the man prayed and the women didn't, then the man is obligated on a Rabbinical level and the women is obligated on a Biblical level. If so, Rav Yechezkel Landau in Dagul Mirvavah 271:2 asks, whether the women can't fulfill her obligation with the man's reading, or perhaps she can because nonetheless, men are able to fulfill the obligation of others using Arevim Zeh LaZeh (the side is also not definite because the Rosh ([[Brachot]] 3:13 last line) writes that women aren't included in Arevim). He leaves it unanswered and the Kitzur Shulchan Aruch 77:4 writes that it's preferable that women say the [[kiddish]] along with the one making [[Kiddish]] so that they are fulfilling their own obligation. However, the Sh"t Rabbi Akiva Eiger 1:7 argues that certainly women are included in Arevim Zeh LaZeh (and explains that the Rosh was talking about mitzvot that women are exempt from) and so a man with a Derabbanan obligation can fulfill a woman's obligation even if she is has a Deorittah obligation. Aruch HaShulchan 271:6 and Chazon Ovadyah ([[Shabbat]] vol 2 pg 24) concur. </ref> | ||
# A women can fulfill the obligation of her husband and family. <ref> S"A 271:2 writes that since women are obligated in [[Kiddish]] on a Deorittah level, they can fulfill the obligation of a man who also has such an obligation. Even though the Maharshal and Bach argue with this, the Taz, Magan Araham, Gra, Mishna Brurah 271:4 all agree with Shulchan Aruch that a women can fulfill the obligation of a man. Nonetheless, Eliyah Rabbah, Derech Chaim, and Mishna Brurah 271:4 write that it's preferable that a women not fulfill the obligation of men not in her family because it's not entirely appropriate. </ref> | # A women can fulfill the obligation of her husband and family. <ref> S"A 271:2 writes that since women are obligated in [[Kiddish]] on a Deorittah level, they can fulfill the obligation of a man who also has such an obligation. Even though the Maharshal and Bach argue with this, the Taz, Magan Araham, Gra, Mishna Brurah 271:4 all agree with Shulchan Aruch that a women can fulfill the obligation of a man. Nonetheless, Eliyah Rabbah, Derech Chaim, and Mishna Brurah 271:4 write that it's preferable that a women not fulfill the obligation of men not in her family because it's not entirely appropriate. </ref> | ||
==Children== | |||
# Once a child has reached the age of [[chinuch]], they are required to hear the kiddush on [[Shabbat]]. Therefore in the event that the child did not hear kiddush, an adult may repeat kiddush on his behalf, even though the adult had already fulfilled this own obligation. <ref> Children in Halacha pg. 39 </ref | |||
==Sitting or standing for Kiddush== | ==Sitting or standing for Kiddush== | ||
# Many have the practice to sit for Kiddush, however, some have a Minhag to stand for [[Kiddish]]. <ref> (1) | # Many have the practice to sit for Kiddush, however, some have a Minhag to stand for [[Kiddish]]. <ref> (1) | ||
