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==Eating in the place one made Kiddish== | ==Eating in the place one made Kiddish== | ||
# One should make sure to establish the place where one made Kiddish by having a meal there. One should begin to eat something immediately after Kiddish. However, Bedieved as long as one had intent to eat immediately one doesn't need to make Kiddish again even if one made a long interruption and had a Hesech HaDaat (interruption of thought). <ref> Preferably, Rama 273:3 writes that one should make one's meal immediately after Kiddish. Mishna Brurah 273:12 explains that preferably, one should eat one's meal right after Kiddish without waiting. However, Bedieved, Piskei Teshuvot 273:3 based on Aruch HaShulchan 263:1 writes that one shouldn't make a new Kiddish even if one had a long break. Mishna Brurah 273:12 writes that Bedieved, if one made a change in place and returned to the place of the Kiddish one shouldn't make a new Kiddish. Halichot Olam (vol 3, pg 3) writes that if one had in mind to eat immediately one should make a new kiddish even if there was a long interruption, however, if one had in mind to eat afte some time, and then 72 minutes passed, a new Kiddush is needed. </ref> | # One should make sure to establish the place where one made Kiddish by having a meal there. One should begin to eat something immediately after Kiddish. However, Bedieved as long as one had intent to eat immediately one doesn't need to make Kiddish again even if one made a long interruption and had a Hesech HaDaat (interruption of thought). <ref> Preferably, Rama 273:3 writes that one should make one's meal immediately after Kiddish. Mishna Brurah 273:12 explains that preferably, one should eat one's meal right after Kiddish without waiting. However, Bedieved, Piskei Teshuvot 273:3 based on Aruch HaShulchan 263:1 writes that one shouldn't make a new Kiddish even if one had a long break. Mishna Brurah 273:12 writes that Bedieved, if one made a change in place and returned to the place of the Kiddish one shouldn't make a new Kiddish. Halichot Olam (vol 3, pg 3) writes that if one had in mind to eat immediately one should make a new kiddish even if there was a long interruption, however, if one had in mind to eat afte some time, and then 72 minutes passed, a new Kiddush is needed. </ref> | ||
# In order to have Kiddish in the place where one eats and that the Kiddish is considered a proper Kiddish, one must eat at least a Kezayit of mezonot, bread, or a reviat of wine. <ref> S"A 173:5 writes in name of the Geonim that one can fulfill the obligation to eat in the place of where one makes Kiddish by eating bread or wine. Magan Avraham 173:10 and Mishna Brurah 173:21 rule that a kezayit is needed to fulfill this obligation. Mishna Brurah 173:25 comments that certainly mezonot fulfills the obligation as it's more significant than wine. Mishna Brurah 173:25 writes in name of Hagot Rabbi Akiva Eiger and Tosefet Shabbat that wine doesn't fulfill one's obligation according to many and so one should only rely on this in cases of need. | # In order to have Kiddish in the place where one eats and that the Kiddish is considered a proper Kiddish, one must eat at least a Kezayit of mezonot, bread, or a reviat of wine. <ref> S"A 173:5 writes in name of the Geonim that one can fulfill the obligation to eat in the place of where one makes Kiddish by eating bread or wine. Magan Avraham 173:10 and Mishna Brurah 173:21 rule that a kezayit is needed to fulfill this obligation. Mishna Brurah 173:25 comments that certainly mezonot fulfills the obligation as it's more significant than wine. Mishna Brurah 173:25 writes in name of Hagot Rabbi Akiva Eiger and Tosefet Shabbat that wine doesn't fulfill one's obligation according to many and so one should only rely on this in cases of need. Piskei Teshuvot writes that it seems that there's a dispute between the Magan Avraham 173:11 and the Shaarei Teshuva 289:1 whether one can fulfill one's fulfill with mezonot that's not Pat HaBah Bekisnin. The Mishna Brurah 173:25 holds like the Magan Avraham and one can fulfill one's obligation by having any mezonot. So rules Sh"T Az Nidabru 8:31, Kiddush KeHilchato (pg 195), and Yalkut Yosef (Shabbat vol 1 pg 196; Halichot Olam (Vol 3, pg 1)). </ref> | ||
== Women == | == Women == | ||
