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==Kiddish in Shul==
==Kiddish in Shul==
# In the days of the gemara, the Rabbis instituted a [[Kiddish]] in shul for the travelers who would eat and drink in the Shul. Nowadays, when guests don't eat their meals in shul, some say that its proper not to say Kiddush in shul, while others uphold this minhag to say Kiddush in shul on Friday night. <ref>The Gemara Pesachim 100b brings down such a custom to say the kiddush on friday night in shul. The Tur 269 writes that saying Kiddush in shul was only established in order to fulfill the obligation of Kiddush for the guests who would eat their meal in shul. He says that nowadays that guests don't eat their meal in shul one shouldn't say Kiddush in shul. The Beit Yosef 269 quotes the Rabbenu Yonah, Ran, and Rashba who defend this practice of saying Kiddush in shul even if guests don't even their meal in shul. Additionally. the Rambam (Sh"t Harambam 37) writes that this minhag shouldn't be discontinued because all establishments that the rabbis made must remain even if the reason no longer applies. Nonetheless, the Bet Yosef writes that the more proper minhag is not to say Kiddush in Shul. S”A 269 rules that some have this practice to say Kiddush in shul, but its better not to. Mishna Brurah 269:5 writes that the common minhag is to say Kiddush in shul and one shouldn't uproot it. Yalkut Yosef 269:2 writes that if there are some in shul who will not say Kiddush at their homes at all, it is not just justified but even encouraged to say Kiddush in shul, but otherwise a shul who doesn't yet have that and doesn't yet have an established minhag, shouldn't say the kiddush in shul. He continues that whatever shul already  has the minhag to say it, they should not be stopped because this minhag has its basis.  
# In the days of the gemara, the Rabbis instituted saying [[Kiddish]] in shul for the travelers who would eat and drink in the Shul. Nowadays, when guests don't eat their meals in shul, some say that its proper not to say Kiddush in shul, while others uphold this minhag to say Kiddush in shul on Friday night. <ref>The Gemara Pesachim 100b brings down such a custom to say the kiddush on friday night in shul. The Tur 269 writes that saying Kiddush in shul was only established in order to fulfill the obligation of Kiddush for the guests who would eat their meal in shul. He says that nowadays that guests don't eat their meal in shul one shouldn't say Kiddush in shul. The Beit Yosef 269 quotes the Rabbenu Yonah, Ran, and Rashba who defend this practice of saying Kiddush in shul even if guests don't even their meal in shul. Additionally, the Rambam (Sh"t Harambam 37) writes that this minhag shouldn't be discontinued because all establishments that the rabbis made must remain even if the reason no longer applies. Nonetheless, the Bet Yosef writes that the more proper minhag is not to say Kiddush in Shul. S”A 269 rules that some have this practice to say Kiddush in shul, but its better not to. Mishna Brurah 269:5 writes that the common minhag is to say Kiddush in shul and one shouldn't uproot it. Yalkut Yosef 269:2 writes that if there are some in shul who will not say Kiddush at their homes at all, it is not just justified but even encouraged to say Kiddush in shul, but otherwise a shul who doesn't yet have that and doesn't yet have an established minhag, shouldn't say the kiddush in shul. He continues that whatever shul already  has the minhag to say it, they should not be stopped because this minhag has its basis.  
* Sh"t Yachin Uboaz 118 writes that that the Rashbetz wouldn't answer [[amen]] to the kiddush in shul because of the safek beracha livatala.</ref>
* Sh"t Yachin Uboaz 118 writes that that the Rashbetz wouldn't answer [[amen]] to the kiddush in shul because of the safek beracha livatala.</ref>
# This minhag applies to [[Shabbat]] and [[Yom Tov]] except for the first day of [[Yom Tov]] of [[Pesach]] (and second in Chutz LaAretz). <ref>Mishna Brurah 269:5, BeYitchak Yikare adds second day in chutz la'aretz </ref>
# This minhag applies to [[Shabbat]] and [[Yom Tov]] except for the first day of [[Yom Tov]] of [[Pesach]] (and second in Chutz LaAretz). <ref>Mishna Brurah 269:5, BeYitchak Yikare adds second day in chutz la'aretz </ref>