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Kiddush has to be made before eating because the Pasuk says "VeKarasa LiShabbos Oneg" <ref> Isiah </ref> "And you shall call to the Shabbos a delight", which the Rabbanan <ref> Seen in Tosfos Pesachim Daf Kuf Yud amud alef, Rosh there </ref> learn to mean that there has to be a "calling" to the Shabbos, meaning saying Kiddush, prior to it being "a delight", refering to eating. | |||
# It's Rabbinically <ref> Mishna Berurah 271:11 writes that the prohibition is only Rabbinic. </ref> forbidden to eat anything even water <ref> Maggid Mishna (Hilchot Shabbat 29:5) explains that the Rambam holds drinking water before Kiddish is permitted, while the Rashba (Sh"t 3:264) forbids it. Hagot Maimon 29:5 in name of Maharam as well as the Tur 271:4 also forbid. Bet Yosef says that the Rambam is unclear and may hold that even water is forbidden. S"A 271:4 rules that even water is forbidden. </ref> before making Kiddish once the time for Kiddish has come. <ref> Pesachim 106b records a dispute whether one who tasted food before Kiddish can still make Kiddish. Bet Yosef 271:4 implies from there that Lechatchila, it's forbidden to eat or drink before Kiddish. Rambam (Hilchot Shabbat 29:5), Tur and S"A 271:4 all rule that it's forbidden to eat before making Kiddish. </ref> | # It's Rabbinically <ref> Mishna Berurah 271:11 writes that the prohibition is only Rabbinic. </ref> forbidden to eat anything even water <ref> Maggid Mishna (Hilchot Shabbat 29:5) explains that the Rambam holds drinking water before Kiddish is permitted, while the Rashba (Sh"t 3:264) forbids it. Hagot Maimon 29:5 in name of Maharam as well as the Tur 271:4 also forbid. Bet Yosef says that the Rambam is unclear and may hold that even water is forbidden. S"A 271:4 rules that even water is forbidden. </ref> before making Kiddish once the time for Kiddish has come. <ref> Pesachim 106b records a dispute whether one who tasted food before Kiddish can still make Kiddish. Bet Yosef 271:4 implies from there that Lechatchila, it's forbidden to eat or drink before Kiddish. Rambam (Hilchot Shabbat 29:5), Tur and S"A 271:4 all rule that it's forbidden to eat before making Kiddish. </ref> | ||
# If one takes Shabbat upon oneself early, it's forbidden to eat before making Kiddish. <ref> Magan Avraham in name of the Bach writes that it's forbidden to eat before making Kiddish if one accepted Shabbat early. </ref> Therefore, one can accept Shabbat early, make Kiddish, and eat even before praying Arvit as long as it's not within a half hour of the time to say Arvit. <ref> Magan Avraham 271:5 writes that one is allowed to accept Shabbat early, and then make Kiddish to permit eating, all before praying Arvit. Beir Heitev 271:4 quotes this as halacha. Kitzur Shulchan Aruch 77:4 and Mishna Brurah 271:11 limit the permit to eat to when one is more than a half hour before nightfall as is the halacha everyday of not eating before Arvit. </ref> | # If one takes Shabbat upon oneself early, it's forbidden to eat before making Kiddish. <ref> Magan Avraham in name of the Bach writes that it's forbidden to eat before making Kiddish if one accepted Shabbat early. </ref> Therefore, one can accept Shabbat early, make Kiddish, and eat even before praying Arvit as long as it's not within a half hour of the time to say Arvit. <ref> Magan Avraham 271:5 writes that one is allowed to accept Shabbat early, and then make Kiddish to permit eating, all before praying Arvit. Beir Heitev 271:4 quotes this as halacha. Kitzur Shulchan Aruch 77:4 and Mishna Brurah 271:11 limit the permit to eat to when one is more than a half hour before nightfall as is the halacha everyday of not eating before Arvit. </ref> | ||
