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==Size of Karpas== | ==Size of Karpas== | ||
# One should eat a piece of Karpas that's smaller than a [[Kezayit]] so as not to get into a dispute about [[Bracha Achrona]]. <ref> Bet Yosef brings a dispute between the Rosh, Sh"t HaRashba, Tur, Hagahot Maimoniot | # One should eat a piece of Karpas that's smaller than a [[Kezayit]], so as not to get into a dispute about [[Bracha Achrona]]. <ref> Shulchan Aruch 473:6, Mishna Brurah 473:53 and Sh"t Chazon Ovadyah 17, Rav Schachter on the Haggadah p. 66-67 <br> | ||
The Bet Yosef 473 brings a dispute between the Rosh, Sh"t HaRashba, Tur, Hagahot Maimoniot Hilchot Chametz U'Matzah 8:4 who hold that less than a [[Kezayit]] of Karpas is needed because the Karpas is only meant as a way to get the children to ask. However, Rambam (Hilchot Chametz U'[[Matzah]] 8:2) holds that one must have a [[Kezayit]] of karpas. [Another Rishon, the Rashbetz (Yafeh Shamuah pg 35) holds like Rambam because the washing of [[Urchatz]] only applies to dipping a vegetable of a the size of a [[Kezayit]].] <br> | |||
Shulchan Aruch 473:6 rules like the Rosh against Rambam because of the issue brought up by the Sh"t Maharil 25. <br> | |||
There's a dispute between Rashbam (Pesachim 114b s.v. peshita), who holds the Bracha on Karpas covers the [[Maror]], and the Tosfot (Pesachim 115a s.v. VeHadar in name of the Ri), who hold that the [[Maror]] doesn't need a bracha as it's part of the meal. This is why the Tur (473:6) writes that according to Rashbam one should not recite borei nefashot after karpas even if one did in fact eat a k'zayit, while according to Tosfot you would. Therefore, suggests the Maharil (Responsa 25), in order to satisfy the opinion of the Rashbam one should have less than a [[Kezayit]] so that one doesn't have to make a [[Bracha Achrona]] before the meal and put oneself in doubt about the Bracha on [[Maror]]. Shulchan Aruch 473:6 rules in accordance with Maharil. This is also the opinion of Mishna Brurah 473:53 and Sh"t Chazon Ovadyah 17. See further concerning the significance of Karpas at [http://www.yutorah.org/lectures/lecture.cfm/743796/Rabbi%20Josh%20Flug/Karpas:%20The%20Vegetable%20at%20the%20Beginning%20of%20the%20Seder YUTorah by Rabbi Josh Flug]</ref> If a person is very hungry one may continue to eat karpas in a way that there’s no mental break between the karpas and maror, avoiding the dispute about reciting borei nefashot. <ref>Rav Hershel Schachter ([http://www.yutorah.org/lectures/lecture.cfm/791887/Rabbi_Hershel_Schachter/Inyonei_Pesach_ “Inyonei Pesach 4”], min 54-5) </ref> | |||
# If one did eat more than a [[Kezayit]] one shouldn't make a bracha of [[Boreh Nefashot]]. <ref> Mishna Brurah 473:56 writes that even if one did eat more than a [[Kezayit]] one should not make a [[Boreh Nefashot]] because we want the HaAdama to cover the [[Maror]]. However the Gra holds that since the Ashkenaz Minhag is to make a bracha on each cup of wine, it must be that we hold that the Haggadah is an interruption and if so, one should make a [[Boreh Nefashot]]. Nonetheless, Beiur Halacha says that the Magen Avrham would argue that the reason we make a bracha on each cup is because each is it's own mitzvah and one can make the same claim that Karpas and [[Maror]] are separate Mitzvot. Chazon Ovadyah ([[Pesach]] vol 2 pg 42) concurs. </ref> | # If one did eat more than a [[Kezayit]] one shouldn't make a bracha of [[Boreh Nefashot]]. <ref> Mishna Brurah 473:56 writes that even if one did eat more than a [[Kezayit]] one should not make a [[Boreh Nefashot]] because we want the HaAdama to cover the [[Maror]]. However the Gra holds that since the Ashkenaz Minhag is to make a bracha on each cup of wine, it must be that we hold that the Haggadah is an interruption and if so, one should make a [[Boreh Nefashot]]. Nonetheless, Beiur Halacha says that the Magen Avrham would argue that the reason we make a bracha on each cup is because each is it's own mitzvah and one can make the same claim that Karpas and [[Maror]] are separate Mitzvot. Chazon Ovadyah ([[Pesach]] vol 2 pg 42) concurs. </ref> | ||
# If a person is hungry after Kiddush he can eat shehakol food like eggs or rice for Sephardim and then recite Boreh Nefashot and then continue the seder.<ref>[https://www.torahanytime.com/#/lectures?a=58680 Rav Yitzchak Yosef Motzei Shabbat Tzav 5778 min 4] explained that his father Rav Ovadia would often eat a little rice, make a boreh nefashot after kiddush since there's no brachot concern about doing that. He said that the same is true of eating eggs.</ref> | # If a person is hungry after Kiddush he can eat shehakol food like eggs or rice for Sephardim and then recite Boreh Nefashot and then continue the seder.<ref>[https://www.torahanytime.com/#/lectures?a=58680 Rav Yitzchak Yosef Motzei Shabbat Tzav 5778 min 4] explained that his father Rav Ovadia would often eat a little rice, make a boreh nefashot after kiddush since there's no brachot concern about doing that. He said that the same is true of eating eggs.</ref> | ||
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==Bracha== | ==Bracha== | ||
# When one makes the bracha on the Karpas, one should have in mind to cover the [[Maror]]. <ref> Mishna Brurah 473:55 </ref> | # When one makes the bracha on the Karpas, one should have in mind to cover the [[Maror]]. <ref> Mishna Brurah 473:55 based on one opinion in Tosafot Pesachim 115a "vehadar", Rav Schachter on the Haggadah pg. 66 </ref> | ||
# It's preferable that one person make the bracha for everyone and everyone can listen. However, if the one making the Bracha doesn't say the words accurately or won't have the proper intent to fulfill everyone else, everyone should make their own bracha. <ref> Chazon Ovadyah ([[Pesach]] vol 2 pg 35) </ref> | # It's preferable that one person make the bracha for everyone and everyone can listen. However, if the one making the Bracha doesn't say the words accurately or won't have the proper intent to fulfill everyone else, everyone should make their own bracha. <ref> Chazon Ovadyah ([[Pesach]] vol 2 pg 35) </ref> | ||
