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# It's preferable to have celery as Karpas. However, there are differing minhagim and some of them include potato, radish, or parsley. Nonetheless, one should be careful to check for bugs, and if one is unable to check, one can fulfill their obligation with any vegetable, yet one should be careful it has the bracha of HaAdama. <ref> The Gemara Pesachim 114a doesn't identfy what vegtable should be taken as the vegtable dipped before the meal. Manhig(Siman 60) writes the Minhag is to do it with Karpas because of the drasha on the letters of Samach Perach. Arizal (quoted by Od Yosed Chai Tzav 6, Kaf HaChaim 473:14, Chazon Ovadyah ([[Pesach]] vol 2 pg 34)) writes that the minhag of using Karpas is established and shouldn't be changed. Rashi ([[Sukkah]] 39b) says that Karpas could be translated as cress (similar to parsly) but he heard (from his rabbis) that Karpas is translated as Apie. Sh"t Chatom Sofer 132 in the name of his teacher Rabbi Natan Adler says that the Apie vegtable is celery. Machsit haShekel (473:4) in name of medical books, and Sh"t Bet Shearim 213 concur that Karpas is celery. the Karpas is traslated as Halichot Shlomo writes Rav Shlomo Zalman Auerbach when he was younger ate celery and in his later years had cucumber as Karpas. </ref> | # It's preferable to have celery as Karpas. However, there are differing minhagim and some of them include potato, radish, or parsley. Nonetheless, one should be careful to check for bugs, and if one is unable to check, one can fulfill their obligation with any vegetable, yet one should be careful it has the bracha of HaAdama. <ref> The Gemara Pesachim 114a doesn't identfy what vegtable should be taken as the vegtable dipped before the meal. Manhig(Siman 60) writes the Minhag is to do it with Karpas because of the drasha on the letters of Samach Perach. Arizal (quoted by Od Yosed Chai Tzav 6, Kaf HaChaim 473:14, Chazon Ovadyah ([[Pesach]] vol 2 pg 34)) writes that the minhag of using Karpas is established and shouldn't be changed. Rashi ([[Sukkah]] 39b) says that Karpas could be translated as cress (similar to parsly) but he heard (from his rabbis) that Karpas is translated as Apie. Sh"t Chatom Sofer 132 in the name of his teacher Rabbi Natan Adler says that the Apie vegtable is celery. Machsit haShekel (473:4) in name of medical books, and Sh"t Bet Shearim 213 concur that Karpas is celery. the Karpas is traslated as Halichot Shlomo writes Rav Shlomo Zalman Auerbach when he was younger ate celery and in his later years had cucumber as Karpas. </ref> | ||
==Size of Karpas== | ==Size of Karpas== | ||
# One should eat a piece of Karpas that's smaller than a [[Kezayit]] so as not to get into a dispute about [[Bracha Achrona]]. <ref> Bet Yosef brings a dispute between the Rosh, Sh"t HaRashba, Tur, Hagahot Maimoniot, Hilchot Chametz U'[[Matzah]] 8:4 who hold that less than a [[Kezayit]] of Karpas is needed because the Karpas is only meant as a way to get the children to ask. However, Rambam (Hilchot Chametz U'[[Matzah]] 8:2) holds that one must have a [[Kezayit]] of karpas. [Another Rishon, the Rashbetz (Yafeh Shamuah pg 35) holds like Rambam because the washing of [[Urchatz]] only applies to dipping a vegtable of a the size of a [[Kezayit]].] S"A 473:6 rules like the Rosh against Rambam because of the issue brought up by the Sh"t Maharil 25. There's a dispute between Rashbam, who holds the Bracha on Karpas covers the [[Maror]], and the Tosfot (Pesachim 115a s.v. VeHadar in name of the Ri), who holds that the [[Maror]] doesn't need a bracha as it's part of the meal. Therefore suggests the Maharil in order to satisfy the opinion of the Rashbam one should have less than a [[Kezayit]] so that one doesn't have to make a [[Bracha Achrona]] before the meal and put oneself in doubt about the Bracha on [[Maror]]. S"A 473:6 rules in accordance with Maharil. | # One should eat a piece of Karpas that's smaller than a [[Kezayit]] so as not to get into a dispute about [[Bracha Achrona]]. <ref> Bet Yosef brings a dispute between the Rosh, Sh"t HaRashba, Tur, Hagahot Maimoniot, Hilchot Chametz U'[[Matzah]] 8:4 who hold that less than a [[Kezayit]] of Karpas is needed because the Karpas is only meant as a way to get the children to ask. However, Rambam (Hilchot Chametz U'[[Matzah]] 8:2) holds that one must have a [[Kezayit]] of karpas. [Another Rishon, the Rashbetz (Yafeh Shamuah pg 35) holds like Rambam because the washing of [[Urchatz]] only applies to dipping a vegtable of a the size of a [[Kezayit]].] S"A 473:6 rules like the Rosh against Rambam because of the issue brought up by the Sh"t Maharil 25. There's a dispute between Rashbam, who holds the Bracha on Karpas covers the [[Maror]], and the Tosfot (Pesachim 115a s.v. VeHadar in name of the Ri), who holds that the [[Maror]] doesn't need a bracha as it's part of the meal. Therefore suggests the Maharil in order to satisfy the opinion of the Rashbam one should have less than a [[Kezayit]] so that one doesn't have to make a [[Bracha Achrona]] before the meal and put oneself in doubt about the Bracha on [[Maror]]. S"A 473:6 rules in accordance with Maharil. This is also the opinion of Mishna Brurah 473:53 and Sh"t Chazon Ovadyah 17. See further concerning the significance of Karpas at [http://www.yutorah.org/lectures/lecture.cfm/743796/Rabbi%20Josh%20Flug/Karpas:%20The%20Vegetable%20at%20the%20Beginning%20of%20the%20Seder YUTorah by Rabbi Josh Flug]</ref> | ||
# If one did eat more than a [[Kezayit]] one shouldn't make a bracha of [[Boreh Nefashot]]. <ref> Mishna Brurah 673:56 writes that even if one did eat more than a [[Kezayit]] one should not make a [[Boreh Nefashot]] because we want the HaAdama to cover the [[Maror]]. However the Gra holds that since the Ashkenaz Minhag is to make a bracha on each cup of wine, it must be that we hold that the Haggadah is an interruption and if so, one should make a [[Boreh Nefashot]]. Nonetheless, Beiur Halacha says that the Magan Avrham would argue that the reason we make a bracha on each cup is because each is it's own mitzvah and one can make the same claim that Karpas and [[Maror]] are separate Mitzvot. Chazon Ovadyah ([[Pesach]] vol 2 pg 42) concurs. </ref> | # If one did eat more than a [[Kezayit]] one shouldn't make a bracha of [[Boreh Nefashot]]. <ref> Mishna Brurah 673:56 writes that even if one did eat more than a [[Kezayit]] one should not make a [[Boreh Nefashot]] because we want the HaAdama to cover the [[Maror]]. However the Gra holds that since the Ashkenaz Minhag is to make a bracha on each cup of wine, it must be that we hold that the Haggadah is an interruption and if so, one should make a [[Boreh Nefashot]]. Nonetheless, Beiur Halacha says that the Magan Avrham would argue that the reason we make a bracha on each cup is because each is it's own mitzvah and one can make the same claim that Karpas and [[Maror]] are separate Mitzvot. Chazon Ovadyah ([[Pesach]] vol 2 pg 42) concurs. </ref> | ||
