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==Timing of Kaddesh==
==Timing of Kaddesh==
# One shouldn't say Kiddish before Tzet HaChochavim. <ref> chazon ovadia pesach page 1, shu"t chazon ovadia 1. Rosh Pesachim 10:2 writes that the night of [[Pesach]] is special that we don't do the mitzvot before night even though by [[Shabbat]] and other [[Yom Tov]]im we hold that one can add from the weekdays to the [[Shabbat]] or [[Yom Tov]]. Thus, Tur writes that one shouldn't eat the meal before night night. Bet Yosef 472:1 quotes the Trumat hadeshen 137 that rules that even the Kiddish which is part of the four cups of the Seder must be done at night. So rules S"A 472:1 that Kiddish and the rest of the mitzvot of the night need to be done during the night. The Taz 472:1 gives another reason the Kiddish must be done at night; because the Kiddish is done in order to eat the [[Matzah]] and have Kiddish BeMakom Seudah, just like the [[Matzah]] has to be at night so too does the Kiddish. Chazon ovadia pesach page 1 says that you don't need to wait until [[Tzet HaKochavim]] according to rabbeinu tam's calculation. </ref>
# One shouldn't say Kiddish before [[Tzet HaKochavim]]. <ref> chazon ovadia pesach page 1, shu"t chazon ovadia 1. Rosh Pesachim 10:2 writes that the night of [[Pesach]] is special that we don't do the mitzvot before night even though by [[Shabbat]] and other [[Yom Tov]]im we hold that one can add from the weekdays to the [[Shabbat]] or [[Yom Tov]]. Thus, Tur writes that one shouldn't eat the meal before night night. Bet Yosef 472:1 quotes the Trumat hadeshen 137 that rules that even the Kiddish which is part of the four cups of the Seder must be done at night. So rules S"A 472:1 that Kiddish and the rest of the mitzvot of the night need to be done during the night. The Taz 472:1 gives another reason the Kiddish must be done at night; because the Kiddish is done in order to eat the [[Matzah]] and have Kiddish BeMakom Seudah, just like the [[Matzah]] has to be at night so too does the Kiddish. Chazon ovadia pesach page 1 says that you don't need to wait until [[Tzet HaKochavim]] according to rabbeinu tam's calculation. </ref>
# the table should be set before one returns from shul so that he can begin immediately at tzet hakochvim. <ref> chazon ovadia pesach page 1</ref>
# the table should be set before one returns from shul so that he can begin immediately at tzet hakochvim. <ref> chazon ovadia pesach page 1</ref>
# Even one learning in a Bet Medrash should stop to start the meal on time (at Tzet) so that the children will be awake to ask questions. <ref> Tur and S"A 472:1 based on Gemara Pesachim 109a</ref>
# Even one learning in a Bet Medrash should stop to start the meal on time (at Tzet) so that the children will be awake to ask questions. <ref> Tur and S"A 472:1 based on Gemara Pesachim 109a</ref>