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==Timing of Kaddesh==
==Timing of Kaddesh==
# One shouldn't say Kiddish before Tzet HaChochavim. <ref> Rosh Pesachim 10:2 writes that the night of Pesach is special that we don't do the mitzvot before night even though by [[Shabbat]] and other [[Yom Tov]]im we hold that one can add from the weekdays to the [[Shabbat]] or [[Yom Tov]]. Thus, Tur writes that one shouldn't eat the meal before night night. Bet Yosef 472:1 quotes the Trumat HaDeshen that rules that even the Kiddish which is part of the four cups of the Seder must be done at night. So rules S"A 473:1 that Kiddish and the rest of the mitzvot of the night need to be done during the night. The Taz 472:1 gives another reason the Kiddish must be done at night; because the Kiddish is done in order to eat the Matzah and have Kiddish BeMakom Seudah, just like the Matzah has to be at night so too does the Kiddish. </ref>
# One shouldn't say Kiddish before Tzet HaChochavim. <ref> chazon ovadia pesach page 1, shu"t chazon ovadia 1. Rosh Pesachim 10:2 writes that the night of Pesach is special that we don't do the mitzvot before night even though by [[Shabbat]] and other [[Yom Tov]]im we hold that one can add from the weekdays to the [[Shabbat]] or [[Yom Tov]]. Thus, Tur writes that one shouldn't eat the meal before night night. Bet Yosef 472:1 quotes the Trumat hadeshen 137 that rules that even the Kiddish which is part of the four cups of the Seder must be done at night. So rules S"A 472:1 that Kiddish and the rest of the mitzvot of the night need to be done during the night. The Taz 472:1 gives another reason the Kiddish must be done at night; because the Kiddish is done in order to eat the Matzah and have Kiddish BeMakom Seudah, just like the Matzah has to be at night so too does the Kiddish. Chazon ovadia pesach page 1 says that you don't need to wait until tzet hakochavim according to rabbeinu tam's calculation. </ref>
# the table should be set before one returns from shul so that he can begin immediately at tzet hakochvim. <ref> chazon ovadia pesach page 1</ref>
# Even one learning in a Bet Medrash should stop to start the meal on time (at Tzet) so that the children will be awake to ask questions. <ref> Tur and S"A 472:1 based on Gemara Pesachim 109a</ref>
# Even one learning in a Bet Medrash should stop to start the meal on time (at Tzet) so that the children will be awake to ask questions. <ref> Tur and S"A 472:1 based on Gemara Pesachim 109a</ref>