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# The Rema (167:6) writes that if the mevarech (one making the beracha) eats and then the listeners speak before they get the chance to eat of the bread themselves, the listeners would still be allowed to eat the bread without a new beracha. <ref> The source for this opinion is from the Rokeach (brought down in the Beit Yosef (Tur Siman 167)). Such also seems to be the opinion of the Or Zarua from the Rema above. The logic is that once the mevarech eats of the bread, the beracha counts for all those who wish to be yotze with that beracha, whether they eat of the bread or not. The Rokeach draws the parallel to [[Kiddush]] where the rule is that only the one making [[Kiddush]] is actually required to drink for the [[Kiddush]] to count for all those present at the table. The Beit Yosef, however, responds that the beracha in our case is different. When the mevarech says the Hamotzi, it is as if everyone says Hamotzi by the law of shomea k’oneh (it is as if the listener made the Beracha himself). Each person individually must ensure to eat before talking or else they’ll require a new beracha. [[Kiddush]], on the other hand, is considered a Birkat Hamitzva where one Jew can discharge the obligation of another Jew. In that case, the listener tags along with the one making [[Kiddush]] in terms of the entire mitzvah (i.e. the [[Kiddush]] itself and the subsequent drinking). The Aruch HaShulchan (167:6) defends the side of the Rema by saying that by [[Kiddush]] too, all are required to drink as part of fulfilling [[Kiddush]] on an individual level. Even so, the listeners are yotze with the drinking of the mekadesh. So too, by Hamotzi, when the mevarech obligates himself to eat, the listeners are also yotze with his eating alone. For more discussion, see Yalkut Yosef (167 footnote 5 in detail). </ref>  
# The Rema (167:6) writes that if the mevarech (one making the beracha) eats and then the listeners speak before they get the chance to eat of the bread themselves, the listeners would still be allowed to eat the bread without a new beracha. <ref> The source for this opinion is from the Rokeach (brought down in the Beit Yosef (Tur Siman 167)). Such also seems to be the opinion of the Or Zarua from the Rema above. The logic is that once the mevarech eats of the bread, the beracha counts for all those who wish to be yotze with that beracha, whether they eat of the bread or not. The Rokeach draws the parallel to [[Kiddush]] where the rule is that only the one making [[Kiddush]] is actually required to drink for the [[Kiddush]] to count for all those present at the table. The Beit Yosef, however, responds that the beracha in our case is different. When the mevarech says the Hamotzi, it is as if everyone says Hamotzi by the law of shomea k’oneh (it is as if the listener made the Beracha himself). Each person individually must ensure to eat before talking or else they’ll require a new beracha. [[Kiddush]], on the other hand, is considered a Birkat Hamitzva where one Jew can discharge the obligation of another Jew. In that case, the listener tags along with the one making [[Kiddush]] in terms of the entire mitzvah (i.e. the [[Kiddush]] itself and the subsequent drinking). The Aruch HaShulchan (167:6) defends the side of the Rema by saying that by [[Kiddush]] too, all are required to drink as part of fulfilling [[Kiddush]] on an individual level. Even so, the listeners are yotze with the drinking of the mekadesh. So too, by Hamotzi, when the mevarech obligates himself to eat, the listeners are also yotze with his eating alone. For more discussion, see Yalkut Yosef (167 footnote 5 in detail). </ref>  
# Mishna Brurah (167:43) writes that nearly all the Achronim argue on the Rema (see Be’ur Halacha there and previous reference for the outline of the discussion), and require the listener to make a new Beracha in this case.  
# Mishna Brurah (167:43) writes that nearly all the Achronim argue on the Rema (see Be’ur Halacha there and previous reference for the outline of the discussion), and require the listener to make a new Beracha in this case.  
# The Sha’ar Hatzion (there) lists the Achronim who disagree with the Rema and they include: Taz, Magen Avraham, Eliyah Rabbah, Likutei HaPri Chadash, S”A Harav, Chayei Adam, Shiurei Bracha, Halacha Berura, and possibly the Gra.  
# The Sha’ar Hatzion (there) lists the Achronim who disagree with the Rema and they include: Taz, Magen Avraham, Eliyah Rabbah, Likutei HaPri [[Chadash]], S”A Harav, Chayei Adam, Shiurei Bracha, Halacha Berura, and possibly the Gra.  
# Piskei Teshuvot (167:11) explains that we don’t say Safeik [[Brachot]] L’Hakeil (in doubtful situations of [[Berachot]], we are lenient) in this case, as the Achronim conclude. Therefore, if the listeners talk before eating themselves, they will require a new beracha to eat. <ref> There is a dispute among the authorities surrounding the issue, and one would expect to encounter the rule of safeik [[berachot]] l’hakeil (by a case of doubt by a beracha, one should omit the beracha). The Kaf HaChaim (167 note 58) explains that there is no safeik beracha case here because the listeners didn’t make the beracha themselves. It is true that one who listens to a beracha with intent to be yotze may not subsequently make his own beracha. Even so, as the person in our case is just a listener, he can make the beracha again after accidentally talking without the fear of a beracha l’vatala by the second beracha as the case is slightly different than the case of one who made the beracha himself. See Yalkut Yosef (167 footnote 5) where he argues on this reasoning. </ref>  
# Piskei Teshuvot (167:11) explains that we don’t say Safeik [[Brachot]] L’Hakeil (in doubtful situations of [[Berachot]], we are lenient) in this case, as the Achronim conclude. Therefore, if the listeners talk before eating themselves, they will require a new beracha to eat. <ref> There is a dispute among the authorities surrounding the issue, and one would expect to encounter the rule of safeik [[berachot]] l’hakeil (by a case of doubt by a beracha, one should omit the beracha). The Kaf HaChaim (167 note 58) explains that there is no safeik beracha case here because the listeners didn’t make the beracha themselves. It is true that one who listens to a beracha with intent to be yotze may not subsequently make his own beracha. Even so, as the person in our case is just a listener, he can make the beracha again after accidentally talking without the fear of a beracha l’vatala by the second beracha as the case is slightly different than the case of one who made the beracha himself. See Yalkut Yosef (167 footnote 5) where he argues on this reasoning. </ref>  


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# Yalkut Yosef (167) rules that one should certainly not answer [[Kedusha]], [[Kaddish]], or barechu before tasting the food. Doing so would count as a [[hefsek]]. One should also not answer [[Amen]], but if he did so, he would not make a new beracha. <ref> The Kaf HaChaim (206:19) rules that by the word [[Amen]] alone, he creates a [[hefsek]], according to some. However, Yalkut Yosef (167 end of footnote 7) concludes that as long as the response is shorter than “Shalom Alecha Rebbe,” we hold safeik [[berachot]] l’hakeil, and one should continue without a beracha. </ref> Also, if one answered [[Amen]] to his own beracha, he may continue without a new beracha.  
# Yalkut Yosef (167) rules that one should certainly not answer [[Kedusha]], [[Kaddish]], or barechu before tasting the food. Doing so would count as a [[hefsek]]. One should also not answer [[Amen]], but if he did so, he would not make a new beracha. <ref> The Kaf HaChaim (206:19) rules that by the word [[Amen]] alone, he creates a [[hefsek]], according to some. However, Yalkut Yosef (167 end of footnote 7) concludes that as long as the response is shorter than “Shalom Alecha Rebbe,” we hold safeik [[berachot]] l’hakeil, and one should continue without a beracha. </ref> Also, if one answered [[Amen]] to his own beracha, he may continue without a new beracha.  
# Panim Meirot (brought by the Shaarei Teshuva (167:3)) says that even by [[answering Amen]], one would need to make a new beracha as it constitutes a [[hefsek]] between the beracha and the eating.
# Panim Meirot (brought by the Shaarei [[Teshuva]] (167:3)) says that even by [[answering Amen]], one would need to make a new beracha as it constitutes a [[hefsek]] between the beracha and the eating.
# Piskei Teshuvot (167:9) brings the opinion of Rav Shlomo Zalman Auerbach (see footnote 70 there) that in cases of saying [[Amen]] to another’s beracha or even to one’s own beracha, the person would not need a new beracha. The reason is that we say safeik [[berachot]] l’hakeil in such cases where these matters are disputed by the poskim. [[Answering Amen]] Yeheh Shmei Rabbah and the like is a [[hefsek]] as it is longer than Kedei Dibbur (Shalom Alecha Rebbe). These rules also apply by one who responds to Dvarim Sh’B’[[Kedusha]] during the beracha itself.  
# Piskei Teshuvot (167:9) brings the opinion of Rav Shlomo Zalman Auerbach (see footnote 70 there) that in cases of saying [[Amen]] to another’s beracha or even to one’s own beracha, the person would not need a new beracha. The reason is that we say safeik [[berachot]] l’hakeil in such cases where these matters are disputed by the poskim. [[Answering Amen]] Yeheh Shmei Rabbah and the like is a [[hefsek]] as it is longer than Kedei Dibbur (Shalom Alecha Rebbe). These rules also apply by one who responds to Dvarim Sh’B’[[Kedusha]] during the beracha itself.  
# Shemirat [[Shabbat]] K’hilchata (48 footnote 43) writes that if listeners who were yotze with someone then hear the same beracha from another with whom they had no intention to be yotze, they may answer [[Amen]] to the beracha. Obviously, other responses longer than Kedei Dibbur are a [[hefsek]].
# Shemirat [[Shabbat]] K’hilchata (48 footnote 43) writes that if listeners who were yotze with someone then hear the same beracha from another with whom they had no intention to be yotze, they may answer [[Amen]] to the beracha. Obviously, other responses longer than Kedei Dibbur are a [[hefsek]].
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