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#For, pie or strudel with fruit filling which was baked together, one should only make [[Mezonot]]. <ref>VeTen Bracha (Halachos of Brochos by Rabbi Bodner, chapter 4, pg 504, Handbook pg 70) writes that since the filling was baked together with the crust, they form one entity and deserves only one Bracha. This is also the opinion of Vezot HaBracha (Luach [[Brachot]] pg 394) </ref> | #For, pie or strudel with fruit filling which was baked together, one should only make [[Mezonot]].<ref>VeTen Bracha (Halachos of Brochos by Rabbi Bodner, chapter 4, pg 504, Handbook pg 70) writes that since the filling was baked together with the crust, they form one entity and deserves only one Bracha. This is also the opinion of Vezot HaBracha (Luach [[Brachot]] pg 394) </ref> | ||
#The bracha on chulent (barley, beans, small pieces of meat, and potato) is [[Mezonot]]. | #The bracha on chulent (barley, beans, small pieces of meat, and potato) is [[Mezonot]]. | ||
##If there’s no barley, and the majority is potatoes and beans, the Bracha is HaAdama, if the majority is rice, the bracha is [[Mezonot]]. | ##If there’s no barley, and the majority is potatoes and beans, the Bracha is HaAdama, if the majority is rice, the bracha is [[Mezonot]]. | ||
##If there’s no barley and the Chulent has the Bracha of HaAdama, if the kishka is eaten separately, it requires it’s own [[mezonot]]. | ##If there’s no barley and the Chulent has the Bracha of HaAdama, if the kishka is eaten separately, it requires it’s own [[mezonot]]. | ||
##If the pieces of potato and meat are large enough that they aren't eaten together with the whole combination on each forkful, each component requires it’s own Bracha. <ref>VeTen Bracha (Halachos of Brochos by Rabbi Bodner, chapter 4, pg 65, 80, Handbook pg 28), Vezot HaBracha (pg 107, chapter 11, pg 392, Luach [[Brachot]]) </ref> | ##If the pieces of potato and meat are large enough that they aren't eaten together with the whole combination on each forkful, each component requires it’s own Bracha. <ref>VeTen Bracha (Halachos of Brochos by Rabbi Bodner, chapter 4, pg 65, 80, Handbook pg 28), Vezot HaBracha (pg 107, chapter 11, pg 392, Luach [[Brachot]]) </ref> | ||
#If one mixes carrot, peas, and couscous/farfel the Bracha is [[Mezonot]] since the [[mezonot]] is always considered Ikar. <ref>Vezot HaBracha (pg 107, chapter 12) </ref> | #If one mixes carrot, peas, and couscous/farfel the Bracha is [[Mezonot]] since the [[mezonot]] is always considered Ikar.<ref>Vezot HaBracha (pg 107, chapter 12) </ref> | ||
#The bracha on rice and meat chunks mixed up depends on the majority even though the meat is more expensive and important.<ref>Vezot HaBracha (p. 94) citing Rav Shlomo Zalman. The fact that this is considered one mixture is based on the Aruch Hashulchan 212:2 that anything eaten together on the same fork or spoon is considered one mixture. However, Or Letzion 2:14:30 seems to disagree as he writes that the bracha on large pieces of meat and rice even though they are mixed up are two separate brachot.</ref> | #The bracha on rice and meat chunks mixed up depends on the majority even though the meat is more expensive and important.<ref>Vezot HaBracha (p. 94) citing Rav Shlomo Zalman. The fact that this is considered one mixture is based on the Aruch Hashulchan 212:2 that anything eaten together on the same fork or spoon is considered one mixture. However, Or Letzion 2:14:30 seems to disagree as he writes that the bracha on large pieces of meat and rice even though they are mixed up are two separate brachot. Dirshu 212:2 cites this discussion.</ref> | ||
#For an ice cream sandwich, 2 [[brochot]] are required ([[mezonot]] and [[shehakol]]) in the usual case where one’s intent is both for the ice cream and for the cookie. <ref>VeTen Bracha (Halachos of Brochos by Rabbi Pinchas Bodner, pg 72, chapter 4), Vezot HaBracha (pg 92, chapter 11).</ref> Some say it is just mezonot.<ref>Shevet Halevi 7:27:6 writes that the bracha on an ice cream cake with ice cream between two layers of cake or a ice cream sandwich the bracha is mezonot. He explains that even the cake and the ice cream aren't cooked together and according to Mishna Brurah 168:45 one should make two brachot, this is different than the Mishna Brurah since here the ice cream is a filling for the sandwich or cake and not a topping. If the ice cream would be a thick layer on top of a mezonot then one should make two brachot but since the ice cream is just a filling and there's two layers of mezonot the bracha is mezonot on everything.</ref> | #For an ice cream sandwich, 2 [[brochot]] are required ([[mezonot]] and [[shehakol]]) in the usual case where one’s intent is both for the ice cream and for the cookie. <ref>VeTen Bracha (Halachos of Brochos by Rabbi Pinchas Bodner, pg 72, chapter 4), Vezot HaBracha (pg 92, chapter 11).</ref> Some say it is just mezonot.<ref>Shevet Halevi 7:27:6 writes that the bracha on an ice cream cake with ice cream between two layers of cake or a ice cream sandwich the bracha is mezonot. He explains that even the cake and the ice cream aren't cooked together and according to Mishna Brurah 168:45 one should make two brachot, this is different than the Mishna Brurah since here the ice cream is a filling for the sandwich or cake and not a topping. If the ice cream would be a thick layer on top of a mezonot then one should make two brachot but since the ice cream is just a filling and there's two layers of mezonot the bracha is mezonot on everything.</ref> | ||
#For chocolate cream pie, if one eats it as a regular pie and the cream enhances dough, then only [[Mezonot]] is needed. However, if one is just as much for the cream as for the pie, then two [[Brachot]] ([[Mezonot]] and [[Shehakol]]) are required.<ref>Veten Bracha (Halachos of Brochos by Rabbi Pinchas Bodner, Handbook pg 27) </ref> | #For chocolate cream pie, if one eats it as a regular pie and the cream enhances dough, then only [[Mezonot]] is needed. However, if one is just as much for the cream as for the pie, then two [[Brachot]] ([[Mezonot]] and [[Shehakol]]) are required.<ref>Veten Bracha (Halachos of Brochos by Rabbi Pinchas Bodner, Handbook pg 27) </ref> | ||
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(2) Igrot Moshe 3:31 holds that one should make a Bracha on the chocolate and nut/fruit. If one has another fruit one should make HaEtz on that and [[Shehakol]] on the chocolate, otherwise make [[Shehakol]] on chocolate having in mind not to exempt the fruit and then HaEtz on the fruit. (3) Laws of [[Brachos]] (pg 215) writes that one should make HaEtz because HaEtz is really the proper Bracha on chocolate. However, on chocolate covered peanuts he agrees with Rav Moshe to make requires two [[Brachot]]. (4) See Yalkut Yosef (Klalei Sefer [[Brachot]] pg 208) who writes simply that chocolate covered nuts are the Bracha of the nut. </ref> | (2) Igrot Moshe 3:31 holds that one should make a Bracha on the chocolate and nut/fruit. If one has another fruit one should make HaEtz on that and [[Shehakol]] on the chocolate, otherwise make [[Shehakol]] on chocolate having in mind not to exempt the fruit and then HaEtz on the fruit. (3) Laws of [[Brachos]] (pg 215) writes that one should make HaEtz because HaEtz is really the proper Bracha on chocolate. However, on chocolate covered peanuts he agrees with Rav Moshe to make requires two [[Brachot]]. (4) See Yalkut Yosef (Klalei Sefer [[Brachot]] pg 208) who writes simply that chocolate covered nuts are the Bracha of the nut. </ref> | ||
====Chicken | ====Chicken Chow Mein==== | ||
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#If chicken chow mein or chicken lo mein is made with chicken, vegetables, and noodles, if the noodles are mixed in with the other ingredients then the Bracha is [[Mezonot]]. However, if the noodles aren’t completely combined then the Bracha is [[Mezonot]] on the noodles and either HaAdama or [[Shehakol]] on the rest depending on the majority (see previous halacha).<ref>Laws of [[Brachos]] (pg 362) writes if there are noodles in chicken chow mein the Bracha is [[Mezonot]] on the noodles, and [[Shehakol]] on the chow mein if it’s mostly chicken or HaAdama on the chow mein if it’s mostly vegetables. However, on pg 385 note 14 he qualifies that this is only the case when the noodles aren’t totally mixed in, however, if they are mixed in then [[mezonot]] on the noodles exempts the other ingredients. Also, the [http://www.ou.org/publications/brachot/default.htm OU] writes simply that chow mein is [[mezonot]]. (Maybe they are assuming the noodles are mixed completely.) </ref> | |||
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#If the chicken pieces are large and eaten by themselves without rice in the same bite, the chicken and rice each deserve their own bracha.<ref>Yalkut Yosef 212:5. See similar ideas in Aruch Hashulchan 212:2 and Or Letzion 2:14:30.</ref> | |||
#If chicken and rice is mixed together and the pieces of chicken are small enough that on each bite of chicken there is rice, the bracha is made on the majority; if the rice is majority the bracha is mezonot, while if the chicken is the majority the bracha is shehakol.<ref>Yabia Omer OC 7:32, Halacha Brurah 212:6, Yalkut Yosef 212:5. Vezot Habracha (11:3:5 p. 91) quotes Rav Elyashiv that if there are two foods mixed together and one wants both, the bracha depends on the majority even if the minority ingredient is more important and expensive. However, the Shaarei Habracha (ch. 15 fnt. 22) disputes this opinion of Rav Elyashiv and holds that the more significant food determines the bracha, even if it is in the minority. His opinion is based on Taz 202:2 and Or Letzion 2:14:29.</ref> | |||
#If chicken, vegetables, and rice are mixed together, then one should make the Bracha on the majority item and exempt the other ingredients; if rice is the majority, the bracha is [[Mezonot]], if vegetables are the majority the bracha is HaAdama, and if chicken is the majority the bracha is [[Shehakol]].<ref>Aruch HaShulchan 212:2 writes that for two different foods to be considered a single mixture they must be eaten together on a single spoonful. This is quoted by Laws of [[Brachos]] (pg 208), Halachos of [[Brachos]] (pg 64), and a similar statement is found in Vezot HaBracha (pg 91). Halachos of [[Brachos]] Handbook (Rabbi Bodner, pg 24) writes that chicken chow mein which is made with rice, chicken, and vegetables because it is usually eaten on the same forkful has one Bracha which depends on what is the majority, if it’s rice, the Bracha is [[Mezonot]], if it’s chicken, Bracha is [[Shehakol]], and if it’s vegetables the Bracha is HaAdama.</reF> If there is no majority, three brachot are made when each food is separated out.<ref> Vezot HaBracha (pg 94) writes that if there’s no majority because there are three foods with different [[Brachot]], then each food requires its own Bracha.</ref> | |||
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#If the chicken pieces are large and eaten by themselves without vegetables in the same bite, the chicken and vegetables each deserve their own bracha.<ref>Or Letzion 2:14:30</ref> | |||
#Chicken and vegetables is [[Shehakol]] if the chicken is the majority and HaAdama if the vegetables are the majority.<ref>Mishna Brurah 212:1 writes that a mixture of two foods neither of which is [[mezonot]] and one isn’t coming to enhance the other the Bracha depends on the majority. Vezot HaBracha (pg 90), Halachos of [[Brachos]] (pg 68), and Laws of [[Brachos]] (pg 214) agree. Therefore, Laws of [[Brachos]] (pg 362) writes that if there aren't any noodles (or rice) in the chicken chow mein, then it depends on the majority. If there is a majority of vegetables the Bracha is HaAdama, if the majority is chicken the Bracha is [[Shehakol]]. </ref> | |||
====Rice and Vegetables==== | |||
# Rice mixed with carrots or other vegetables, the bracha is on the majority ingredient; if the rice is majority the bracha is mezonot, if the vegetables are the majority the bracha is haadama.<ref>Yabia Omer OC 7:32, Halacha Brurah 212:6</ref> | |||
==Soup== | ==Soup== | ||
