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# For rice cakes with a peanut butter spread, the only Bracha needed is for the rice cakes (which is HaAdama). <Ref> Halachos of Brochos (pg 58, chapter 4, Rabbi Pinchas Bodner) </ref> | # For rice cakes with a peanut butter spread, the only Bracha needed is for the rice cakes (which is HaAdama). <Ref> Halachos of Brochos (pg 58, chapter 4, Rabbi Pinchas Bodner) </ref> | ||
# If a doughnut was dipped in coffee, the Bracha on the solid covers the absorbed liquids. There’s a minority opinion that the [[mezonot]] also covers the coffee in the cup and so it’s preferable to cover the coffee with another [[Shehakol]], however, if it’s difficult one may make [[Shehakol]] on the coffee in the cup. <Ref> Veten Bracha (Halachos of Brochos by Rabbi Pinchas Bodner, chapter 4, pg 69) </ref> | # If a doughnut was dipped in coffee, the Bracha on the solid covers the absorbed liquids. There’s a minority opinion that the [[mezonot]] also covers the coffee in the cup and so it’s preferable to cover the coffee with another [[Shehakol]], however, if it’s difficult one may make [[Shehakol]] on the coffee in the cup. <Ref> Veten Bracha (Halachos of Brochos by Rabbi Pinchas Bodner, chapter 4, pg 69) </ref> | ||
# For knishes in the usual case where the dough is substantial, the Bracha is [[mezonot]]. <Ref> Veten Bracha (Halachos of Brochos by Rabbi Pinchas Bodner, chapter 4, pg 79). Shulchan Halevi 3:14:6 p. 38 writes that knishes are mezonot if the crust is thick and filling thin which is commonly the case, however, if the dough is thin and filling thick then it requires two brachot. </ref> | |||
====Ice Cream in Cone==== | ====Ice Cream in Cone==== | ||
# If one eats an ice-cream in a cone and one’s intent is only to eat the ice-cream and the cone is only used to hold the ice-cream, one should only make a [[Shehakol]]. However, in the usual case where one eats the cone also for a taste, two [[Brachot]] are required. <Ref> VeTen Bracha (Halachos of Brochos by Rabbi Bodner, chapter 4, pg 61), Vezot HaBracha (pg 390), Shulchan Halevi 3:14:3 p. 37. Igrot Moshe 4:43 writes that if someone enjoys the cone then he should make two brachot and if he just wants the ice cream and he is eating the cone because it is there then the bracha is shehakol and the cone is covered. This is based on the Mishna Brurah 168:45. </ref> Some say that the bracha is just shehakol.<ref> Dirshu 168:35 cites Rav Wosner (Kovetz Mbet Levi v. 16 p. 81) and Or Letzion 2:14:20 who hold that the bracha on ice cream in a cone is shehakol since it is eaten together and the cone isn't the main thing.</ref> | # If one eats an ice-cream in a cone and one’s intent is only to eat the ice-cream and the cone is only used to hold the ice-cream, one should only make a [[Shehakol]]. However, in the usual case where one eats the cone also for a taste, two [[Brachot]] are required. <Ref> VeTen Bracha (Halachos of Brochos by Rabbi Bodner, chapter 4, pg 61), Vezot HaBracha (pg 390), Shulchan Halevi 3:14:3 p. 37. Igrot Moshe 4:43 writes that if someone enjoys the cone then he should make two brachot and if he just wants the ice cream and he is eating the cone because it is there then the bracha is shehakol and the cone is covered. This is based on the Mishna Brurah 168:45. </ref> Some say that the bracha is just shehakol.<ref> Dirshu 168:35 cites Rav Wosner (Kovetz Mbet Levi v. 16 p. 81) and Or Letzion 2:14:20 who hold that the bracha on ice cream in a cone is shehakol since it is eaten together and the cone isn't the main thing.</ref> | ||
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# <span id="Shnitzel"></span> Fried chicken or fish (Shnetizel) with a thin batter coating is [[Shehakol]], but if there’s a thick coating the Bracha is [[Mezonot]], yet it's preferable to separate off a piece of coating and a piece of chicken and make [[Mezonot]] on the coating and [[Shehakol]] on the chicken. However, the Sephardic minhag is to make [[Shehakol]] in all cases. <Ref> <br>* Halachos of [[Brachos]] (Rabbi Bodner, chap 4, pg 79) quotes Rav Elyashiv that the Bracha would be [[Mezonot]] in all cases in opposition to Rav Moshe, Rav Yacov Kamenetsky, and Rav Sheinburg who said [[Shehakol]] if it was a thin crust. He also quotes Rav Moshe and Rav Sheinburg that if there's a thick coating that one should make [[Mezonot]]. In the Halachos of [[Brachos]] Handbook (pg 13 and 43) he rules like the second opinion that if there's a thin coating the bracha is [[Shehakol]] and if there's a thick coating the bracha is [[Mezonot]]. <br>* VeZot HaBracha (chap 12, pg 109) agrees that if there's a thin crust one should make [[Shehakol]], however, he argues that if there's a thick coating one should separate a piece of the coating and a piece of the meat and make [[Mezonot]] on the coating and [[Shehakol]] on the meat. [See Vezot HaBracha (Birur 19(1), pg 261) where he seems to agree that if there's a thick coating the bracha would be [[Mezonot]] but because of controversy he suggests separating the coating and making two [[brachot]].] <br>* However, Laws of [[Brachos]] (Rabbi Forst, chap 218, pg 218) writes that it seems that the opinion who says that breaded cutlets are [[mezonot]] is correct, but one who wants to satisfy all opinions should make [[mezonot]] on a piece of crust and [[Shehakol]] on another food. <br>* Lastly, Yalkut Yosef ([[Brachot]] (vol 3), pg 426) writes that the bracha is [[Shehakol]] whether it is home made chicken cutlets or restaurant cutlets (where the coating is thicker). </ref> | # <span id="Shnitzel"></span> Fried chicken or fish (Shnetizel) with a thin batter coating is [[Shehakol]], but if there’s a thick coating the Bracha is [[Mezonot]], yet it's preferable to separate off a piece of coating and a piece of chicken and make [[Mezonot]] on the coating and [[Shehakol]] on the chicken. However, the Sephardic minhag is to make [[Shehakol]] in all cases. <Ref> <br>* Halachos of [[Brachos]] (Rabbi Bodner, chap 4, pg 79) quotes Rav Elyashiv that the Bracha would be [[Mezonot]] in all cases in opposition to Rav Moshe, Rav Yacov Kamenetsky, and Rav Sheinburg who said [[Shehakol]] if it was a thin crust. He also quotes Rav Moshe and Rav Sheinburg that if there's a thick coating that one should make [[Mezonot]]. In the Halachos of [[Brachos]] Handbook (pg 13 and 43) he rules like the second opinion that if there's a thin coating the bracha is [[Shehakol]] and if there's a thick coating the bracha is [[Mezonot]]. <br>* VeZot HaBracha (chap 12, pg 109) agrees that if there's a thin crust one should make [[Shehakol]], however, he argues that if there's a thick coating one should separate a piece of the coating and a piece of the meat and make [[Mezonot]] on the coating and [[Shehakol]] on the meat. [See Vezot HaBracha (Birur 19(1), pg 261) where he seems to agree that if there's a thick coating the bracha would be [[Mezonot]] but because of controversy he suggests separating the coating and making two [[brachot]].] <br>* However, Laws of [[Brachos]] (Rabbi Forst, chap 218, pg 218) writes that it seems that the opinion who says that breaded cutlets are [[mezonot]] is correct, but one who wants to satisfy all opinions should make [[mezonot]] on a piece of crust and [[Shehakol]] on another food. <br>* Lastly, Yalkut Yosef ([[Brachot]] (vol 3), pg 426) writes that the bracha is [[Shehakol]] whether it is home made chicken cutlets or restaurant cutlets (where the coating is thicker). </ref> | ||
# For onion rings in the usual case where the coating is substantial, the Bracha is [[mezonot]]. <Ref> Veten Bracha (Halachos of Brochos by Rabbi Pinchas Bodner, chapter 4, pg 79) </ref> | # For onion rings in the usual case where the coating is substantial, the Bracha is [[mezonot]]. <Ref> Veten Bracha (Halachos of Brochos by Rabbi Pinchas Bodner, chapter 4, pg 79) </ref> | ||
====Bostom Creme Pie==== | ====Bostom Creme Pie==== | ||
# For the bracha on Boston cream pies, if one has the filling as an enhancer of the cake then the bracha is [[Mezonot]], however, if the filling is considered a thick layer for which one has intent to eat (not merely as an enhancer), then make two [[brachot]], [[mezonot]] on the cake, and [[Shehakol]] on the filling. <ref> | # For the bracha on Boston cream pies, if one has the filling as an enhancer of the cake then the bracha is [[Mezonot]], however, if the filling is considered a thick layer for which one has intent to eat (not merely as an enhancer), then make two [[brachot]], [[mezonot]] on the cake, and [[Shehakol]] on the filling. <ref> | ||
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## If the pieces of potato and meat are large enough that they aren't eaten together with the whole combination on each forkful, each component requires it’s own Bracha. <Ref> VeTen Bracha (Halachos of Brochos by Rabbi Bodner, chapter 4, pg 65, 80, Handbook pg 28), Vezot HaBracha (pg 107, chapter 11, pg 392, Luach [[Brachot]]) </ref> | ## If the pieces of potato and meat are large enough that they aren't eaten together with the whole combination on each forkful, each component requires it’s own Bracha. <Ref> VeTen Bracha (Halachos of Brochos by Rabbi Bodner, chapter 4, pg 65, 80, Handbook pg 28), Vezot HaBracha (pg 107, chapter 11, pg 392, Luach [[Brachot]]) </ref> | ||
# If one mixes carrot, peas, and couscous/farfel the Bracha is [[Mezonot]] since the [[mezonot]] is always considered Ikar. <Ref> Vezot HaBracha (pg 107, chapter 12) </ref> | # If one mixes carrot, peas, and couscous/farfel the Bracha is [[Mezonot]] since the [[mezonot]] is always considered Ikar. <Ref> Vezot HaBracha (pg 107, chapter 12) </ref> | ||
# The bracha on meat chunks mixed up | # The bracha on rice and meat chunks mixed up depends on the majority even though the meat is more expensive and important.<ref>Vezot HaBracha (p. 94) citing Rav Shlomo Zalman. The fact that this is considered one mixture is based on the Aruch Hashulchan 212:2 that anything eaten together on the same fork or spoon is considered one mixture. However, Or Letzion 2:14:30 seems to disagree as he writes that the bracha on large pieces of meat and rice even though they are mixed up are two separate brachot.</ref> | ||
# For an ice cream sandwich, 2 [[brochot]] are required ([[mezonot]] and [[shehakol]]) in the usual case where one’s intent is both for the ice cream and for the cookie. <Ref> VeTen Bracha (Halachos of Brochos by Rabbi Pinchas Bodner, pg 72, chapter 4), Vezot HaBracha (pg 92, chapter 11).</ref> Some say it is just mezonot.<ref> Shevet Halevi 7:27:6 writes that the bracha on an ice cream cake with ice cream between two layers of cake or a ice cream sandwich the bracha is mezonot. He explains that even the cake and the ice cream aren't cooked together and according to Mishna Brurah 168:45 one should make two brachot, this is different than the Mishna Brurah since here the ice cream is a filling for the sandwich or cake and not a topping. If the ice cream would be a thick layer on top of a mezonot then one should make two brachot but since the ice cream is just a filling and there's two layers of mezonot the bracha is mezonot on everything.</ref> | # For an ice cream sandwich, 2 [[brochot]] are required ([[mezonot]] and [[shehakol]]) in the usual case where one’s intent is both for the ice cream and for the cookie. <Ref> VeTen Bracha (Halachos of Brochos by Rabbi Pinchas Bodner, pg 72, chapter 4), Vezot HaBracha (pg 92, chapter 11).</ref> Some say it is just mezonot.<ref> Shevet Halevi 7:27:6 writes that the bracha on an ice cream cake with ice cream between two layers of cake or a ice cream sandwich the bracha is mezonot. He explains that even the cake and the ice cream aren't cooked together and according to Mishna Brurah 168:45 one should make two brachot, this is different than the Mishna Brurah since here the ice cream is a filling for the sandwich or cake and not a topping. If the ice cream would be a thick layer on top of a mezonot then one should make two brachot but since the ice cream is just a filling and there's two layers of mezonot the bracha is mezonot on everything.</ref> | ||
# For chocolate cream pie, if one eats it as a regular pie and the cream enhances dough, then only [[Mezonot]] is needed. However, if one is just as much for the cream as for the pie, then two [[Brachot]] ([[Mezonot]] and [[Shehakol]]) are required. <ref>Veten Bracha (Halachos of Brochos by Rabbi Pinchas Bodner, Handbook pg 27) </ref> | # For chocolate cream pie, if one eats it as a regular pie and the cream enhances dough, then only [[Mezonot]] is needed. However, if one is just as much for the cream as for the pie, then two [[Brachot]] ([[Mezonot]] and [[Shehakol]]) are required. <ref>Veten Bracha (Halachos of Brochos by Rabbi Pinchas Bodner, Handbook pg 27) </ref> | ||
