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# For blintzes with sour cream, the only Bracha needed is for the blintzes. <Ref> Halachos of Brochos (pg 58, chapter 4, Rabbi Pinchas Bodner) </ref>
# For blintzes with sour cream, the only Bracha needed is for the blintzes. <Ref> Halachos of Brochos (pg 58, chapter 4, Rabbi Pinchas Bodner) </ref>
# For rice cakes with a peanut butter spread, the only Bracha needed is for the rice cakes (which is HaAdama). <Ref> Halachos of Brochos (pg 58, chapter 4, Rabbi Pinchas Bodner) </ref>
# For rice cakes with a peanut butter spread, the only Bracha needed is for the rice cakes (which is HaAdama). <Ref> Halachos of Brochos (pg 58, chapter 4, Rabbi Pinchas Bodner) </ref>
# If a doughnut was dipped in coffee, the Bracha on the solid covers the absorbed liquids. There’s a minority opinion that the [[mezonot]] also covers the coffee in the cup and so it’s preferable to cover the coffee with another [[Shehakol]], however, if it’s difficult one may make [[Shehakol]] on the coffee in the cup. <Ref> Veten Bracha (Halachos of Brochos by Rabbi Pinchas Bodner, chapter 4, pg 69) </ref>
====Ice Cream in Cone====
# In the usual case where one eats the cone also for a taste, two [[Brachot]] ([[mezonot]] and [[Shehakol]]) are required. However, if one eats an ice-cream in a cone and one’s intent is only to eat the ice-cream and the cone is only used to hold the ice-cream, one should only make a [[Shehakol]]. <Ref> VeTen Bracha (Halachos of Brochos by Rabbi Bodner, chapter 4, pg 61), Vezot HaBracha (pg 390) </ref>
# In the usual case where one eats the cone also for a taste, two [[Brachot]] ([[mezonot]] and [[Shehakol]]) are required. However, if one eats an ice-cream in a cone and one’s intent is only to eat the ice-cream and the cone is only used to hold the ice-cream, one should only make a [[Shehakol]]. <Ref> VeTen Bracha (Halachos of Brochos by Rabbi Bodner, chapter 4, pg 61), Vezot HaBracha (pg 390) </ref>
====Cheese Cake====
# Many authorities hold that cheese cake is [[Mezonot]] in the usual case where the cheese and crust are baked together. However, some say that the bracha is [[Shehakol]] unless there’s a thick crust in which case the Bracha is [[Mezonot]]. <ref>
# Many authorities hold that cheese cake is [[Mezonot]] in the usual case where the cheese and crust are baked together. However, some say that the bracha is [[Shehakol]] unless there’s a thick crust in which case the Bracha is [[Mezonot]]. <ref>
* In Gemara [[Brachot]] 36b, Rav and Shmuel say that anything which has (flour from) the five grains is [[mezonot]]. (This is known the rule of Kol SheYesh Bo.) This is quoted by the Rif ([[Brachot]] 26a), Rosh ([[Brachot]] 6:7), and Rambam ([[Brachot]] 3:4) and codified by Tur and Shulchan Aruch 208:2.  
* In Gemara [[Brachot]] 36b, Rav and Shmuel say that anything which has (flour from) the five grains is [[mezonot]]. (This is known the rule of Kol SheYesh Bo.) This is quoted by the Rif ([[Brachot]] 26a), Rosh ([[Brachot]] 6:7), and Rambam ([[Brachot]] 3:4) and codified by Tur and Shulchan Aruch 208:2.  
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* Vezot HaBracha (chap 11, pg 92) writes that if the cheese layer is baked together with the crust layer the Bracha is [[Mezonot]] based on Kol SheYesh Bo.  
* Vezot HaBracha (chap 11, pg 92) writes that if the cheese layer is baked together with the crust layer the Bracha is [[Mezonot]] based on Kol SheYesh Bo.  
* Laws of [[Brachos]] (Rabbi Forst, chap 7, pg 219) writes in general the crust is used to add flavor and if so the Bracha is [[Mezonot]], however if the crust is only meant to hold the cheese the Bracha is [[Shehakol]]. The [http://www.ou.org/publications/brachot/default.htm OU] agrees.  
* Laws of [[Brachos]] (Rabbi Forst, chap 7, pg 219) writes in general the crust is used to add flavor and if so the Bracha is [[Mezonot]], however if the crust is only meant to hold the cheese the Bracha is [[Shehakol]]. The [http://www.ou.org/publications/brachot/default.htm OU] agrees.  
** The second clause is based on the following: S”A 168:8 and 212:2 rules that if one eats jam/marmalade on a cracker one should only make a Bracha on the marmalade and it exempts the cracker. Mishna Brurah 168:45 explains that in the case of S”A one was only eating the jam on the cracker so as not to dirty one’s hands. Then, he quotes the Magen Avraham 212:5 who writes that nowadays the crackers have a good taste and one should make [[Mezonot]] and exempt the jam. Mishna Brurah concludes by saying that it’s only one Bracha when it is baked together, however, if they’re baked separately it would require two [[Brachot]].  
** The second clause is based on the following: Shulchan Aruch 168:8 and 212:2 rules that if one eats jam/marmalade on a cracker one should only make a Bracha on the marmalade and it exempts the cracker. Mishna Brurah 168:45 explains that in the case of S”A one was only eating the jam on the cracker so as not to dirty one’s hands. Then, he quotes the Magen Avraham 212:5 who writes that nowadays the crackers have a good taste and one should make [[Mezonot]] and exempt the jam. Mishna Brurah concludes by saying that it’s only one Bracha when it is baked together, however, if they’re baked separately it would require two [[Brachot]].  
* Laws of [[Brachos]] (chap 7, pg 219, note 48) writes his ruling that if the thin crust is added for it’s taste even if wouldn’t be eaten on it’s own, the Bracha should be [[mezonot]] is based on the Mishna Brurah 168:45 but feels that Rav Moshe in Igrot Moshe 4:43 would disagree and hold that if one wouldn’t want to eat the crust on its own the Bracha is only [[Shehakol]].
* Laws of [[Brachos]] (chap 7, pg 219, note 48) writes his ruling that if the thin crust is added for it’s taste even if wouldn’t be eaten on it’s own, the Bracha should be [[mezonot]] is based on the Mishna Brurah 168:45 but feels that Rav Moshe in Igrot Moshe 4:43 would disagree and hold that if one wouldn’t want to eat the crust on its own the Bracha is only [[Shehakol]].
** Igrot Moshe 4:43 writes that for an ice cream sandwich one should make two [[Brachot]], [[mezonot]] on the wafer and [[Shehakol]] on the ice cream and if one only wants the ice cream but only eats the wafer simply because it’s there the Bracha is [[Shehakol]] and it exempts the wafer. However, Laws of [[Brachos]] (chap 7, pg 217, note 40) argues that even if the crust is negligible the Bracha should be [[mezonot]] as long as it adds a taste.  
** Igrot Moshe 4:43 writes that for an ice cream sandwich one should make two [[Brachot]], [[mezonot]] on the wafer and [[Shehakol]] on the ice cream and if one only wants the ice cream but only eats the wafer simply because it’s there the Bracha is [[Shehakol]] and it exempts the wafer. However, Laws of [[Brachos]] (chap 7, pg 217, note 40) argues that even if the crust is negligible the Bracha should be [[mezonot]] as long as it adds a taste.  
* Halachos of [[Brachos]] (chap 4, pg 79) writes that in many cases the crust is only used to enhance the appearance of the cake and so the Bracha is [[Shehakol]], however, if there is a thick layer he quotes Rav Moshe who says that the Bracha is [[Mezonot]]. </ref>
* Halachos of [[Brachos]] (chap 4, pg 79) writes that in many cases the crust is only used to enhance the appearance of the cake and so the Bracha is [[Shehakol]], however, if there is a thick layer he quotes Rav Moshe who says that the Bracha is [[Mezonot]]. </ref>
# If a doughnut was dipped in coffee, the Bracha on the solid covers the absorbed liquids. There’s a minority opinion that the [[mezonot]] also covers the coffee in the cup and so it’s preferable to cover the coffee with another [[Shehakol]], however, if it’s difficult one may make [[Shehakol]] on the coffee in the cup. <Ref> Veten Bracha (Halachos of Brochos by Rabbi Pinchas Bodner, chapter 4, pg 69) </ref>
====Shnitzel====
# <span id="Shnitzel"></span> Fried chicken or fish (Shnetizel) with a thin batter coating is [[Shehakol]], but if there’s a thick coating the Bracha is [[Mezonot]], yet it's preferable to separate off a piece of coating and a piece of chicken and make [[Mezonot]] on the coating and [[Shehakol]] on the chicken. However, the Sephardic minhag is to make [[Shehakol]] in all cases. <Ref> <br>* Halachos of [[Brachos]] (Rabbi Bodner, chap 4, pg 79) quotes Rav Elyashiv that the Bracha would be [[Mezonot]] in all cases in opposition to Rav Moshe, Rav Yacov Kamenetsky, and Rav Sheinburg who said [[Shehakol]] if it was a thin crust. He also quotes Rav Moshe and Rav Sheinburg that if there's a thick coating that one should make [[Mezonot]]. In the Halachos of [[Brachos]] Handbook (pg 13 and 43) he rules like the second opinion that if there's a thin coating the bracha is [[Shehakol]] and if there's a thick coating the bracha is [[Mezonot]]. <br>* VeZot HaBracha (chap 12, pg 109) agrees that if there's a thin crust one should make [[Shehakol]], however, he argues that if there's a thick coating one should separate a piece of the coating and a piece of the meat and make [[Mezonot]] on the coating and [[Shehakol]] on the meat. [See Vezot HaBracha (Birur 19(1), pg 261) where he seems to agree that if there's a thick coating the bracha would be [[Mezonot]] but because of controversy he suggests separating the coating and making two [[brachot]].] <br>* However, Laws of [[Brachos]] (Rabbi Forst, chap 218, pg 218) writes that it seems that the opinion who says that breaded cutlets are [[mezonot]] is correct, but one who wants to satisfy all opinions should make [[mezonot]] on a piece of crust and [[Shehakol]] on another food. <br>* Lastly, Yalkut Yosef ([[Brachot]] (vol 3), pg 426) writes that the bracha is [[Shehakol]] whether it is home made chicken cutlets or restaurant cutlets (where the coating is thicker). </ref>
# <span id="Shnitzel"></span> Fried chicken or fish (Shnetizel) with a thin batter coating is [[Shehakol]], but if there’s a thick coating the Bracha is [[Mezonot]], yet it's preferable to separate off a piece of coating and a piece of chicken and make [[Mezonot]] on the coating and [[Shehakol]] on the chicken. However, the Sephardic minhag is to make [[Shehakol]] in all cases. <Ref> <br>* Halachos of [[Brachos]] (Rabbi Bodner, chap 4, pg 79) quotes Rav Elyashiv that the Bracha would be [[Mezonot]] in all cases in opposition to Rav Moshe, Rav Yacov Kamenetsky, and Rav Sheinburg who said [[Shehakol]] if it was a thin crust. He also quotes Rav Moshe and Rav Sheinburg that if there's a thick coating that one should make [[Mezonot]]. In the Halachos of [[Brachos]] Handbook (pg 13 and 43) he rules like the second opinion that if there's a thin coating the bracha is [[Shehakol]] and if there's a thick coating the bracha is [[Mezonot]]. <br>* VeZot HaBracha (chap 12, pg 109) agrees that if there's a thin crust one should make [[Shehakol]], however, he argues that if there's a thick coating one should separate a piece of the coating and a piece of the meat and make [[Mezonot]] on the coating and [[Shehakol]] on the meat. [See Vezot HaBracha (Birur 19(1), pg 261) where he seems to agree that if there's a thick coating the bracha would be [[Mezonot]] but because of controversy he suggests separating the coating and making two [[brachot]].] <br>* However, Laws of [[Brachos]] (Rabbi Forst, chap 218, pg 218) writes that it seems that the opinion who says that breaded cutlets are [[mezonot]] is correct, but one who wants to satisfy all opinions should make [[mezonot]] on a piece of crust and [[Shehakol]] on another food. <br>* Lastly, Yalkut Yosef ([[Brachot]] (vol 3), pg 426) writes that the bracha is [[Shehakol]] whether it is home made chicken cutlets or restaurant cutlets (where the coating is thicker). </ref>
# For onion rings in the usual case where the coating is substantial, the Bracha is [[mezonot]]. <Ref> Veten Bracha (Halachos of Brochos by Rabbi Pinchas Bodner, chapter 4, pg 79) </ref>
# For onion rings in the usual case where the coating is substantial, the Bracha is [[mezonot]]. <Ref> Veten Bracha (Halachos of Brochos by Rabbi Pinchas Bodner, chapter 4, pg 79) </ref>
# For knishes in the usual case where the dough is substantial, the Bracha is [[mezonot]]. <Ref> Veten Bracha (Halachos of Brochos by Rabbi Pinchas Bodner, chapter 4, pg 79) </ref>
# For knishes in the usual case where the dough is substantial, the Bracha is [[mezonot]]. <Ref> Veten Bracha (Halachos of Brochos by Rabbi Pinchas Bodner, chapter 4, pg 79) </ref>
====Bostom Creme Pie====
# For the bracha on Boston cream pies, if one has the filling as an enhancer of the cake then the bracha is [[Mezonot]], however, if the filling is considered a thick layer for which one has intent to eat (not merely as an enhancer), then make two [[brachot]], [[mezonot]] on the cake, and [[Shehakol]] on the filling. <ref>
# For the bracha on Boston cream pies, if one has the filling as an enhancer of the cake then the bracha is [[Mezonot]], however, if the filling is considered a thick layer for which one has intent to eat (not merely as an enhancer), then make two [[brachot]], [[mezonot]] on the cake, and [[Shehakol]] on the filling. <ref>
* S”A 168:8 and 212:2 rules that if one eats jam/marmalade on a cracker one should only make a Bracha on the marmalade and it exempts the cracker. Magen Avraham 212:5 writes that one honey crackers are primary and one only makes a Bracha on that and it covers the marmalade.  
* Shulchan Aruch 168:8 and 212:2 rules that if one eats jam/marmalade on a cracker one should only make a Bracha on the marmalade and it exempts the cracker. Magen Avraham 212:5 writes that one honey crackers are primary and one only makes a Bracha on that and it covers the marmalade.  
* Mishna Brurah 168:45 rules like the Magen Avraham but adds that it’s only one Bracha when it is baked together, however, if they’re baked separately it would require two [[Brachot]], one for the cracker, one for the marmalade because one is not eaten as an enhancer of the other but rather one is eating it for both of the cracker and the jam. However, Mishna Brurah 212:6 rules that if one eats cheese on a cracker one only makes a Bracha on the cracker even if one likes the cheese because one is eating the cheese as a spread.  
* Mishna Brurah 168:45 rules like the Magen Avraham but adds that it’s only one Bracha when it is baked together, however, if they’re baked separately it would require two [[Brachot]], one for the cracker, one for the marmalade because one is not eaten as an enhancer of the other but rather one is eating it for both of the cracker and the jam. However, Mishna Brurah 212:6 rules that if one eats cheese on a cracker one only makes a Bracha on the cracker even if one likes the cheese because one is eating the cheese as a spread.  
**[It’s clear that the Mishna Brurah 212:6 is discussing where one didn’t bake it together, because if so, the Shaar HaTziyun 212:21 should have answered that the difference in cases between in 212:5 and 212:6 was that in 212:5 it wasn’t baked together and in 212:6 it was.] Similarly, Sh”t Shevet HaLevi 7:27(6) explains that Mishna Brurah 168:45 only meant to make two [[Brachot]] when there’s a thick layer of jam but if there’s a thin layer one should only make one Bracha.  
**[It’s clear that the Mishna Brurah 212:6 is discussing where one didn’t bake it together, because if so, the Shaar HaTziyun 212:21 should have answered that the difference in cases between in 212:5 and 212:6 was that in 212:5 it wasn’t baked together and in 212:6 it was.] Similarly, Sh”t Shevet HaLevi 7:27(6) explains that Mishna Brurah 168:45 only meant to make two [[Brachot]] when there’s a thick layer of jam but if there’s a thin layer one should only make one Bracha.  
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