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##It includes men, women, children, and non-Jews.<ref>[https://www.sefaria.org/Kaf_HaChayim_on_Shulchan_Arukh%2C_Orach_Chayim.345.39.1?vhe=Kaf_Hachayim,_Orach_Chayim_vol._I-IV,_Jerusalem_1910-1933&lang=bi Kaf Hachaim 345:39], Eshel Avraham (at the end of 345 s.v. po), Igrot Moshe 1:139:6 s.v. uma based on Tosfot Eruvin 6a</ref> | ##It includes men, women, children, and non-Jews.<ref>[https://www.sefaria.org/Kaf_HaChayim_on_Shulchan_Arukh%2C_Orach_Chayim.345.39.1?vhe=Kaf_Hachayim,_Orach_Chayim_vol._I-IV,_Jerusalem_1910-1933&lang=bi Kaf Hachaim 345:39], Eshel Avraham (at the end of 345 s.v. po), Igrot Moshe 1:139:6 s.v. uma based on Tosfot Eruvin 6a</ref> | ||
##It includes travelers and tourists.<ref>Rashi Eruvin 59a, Igrot Moshe 1:139:5, 4:87 s.v. v'b'ir</ref> | ##It includes travelers and tourists.<ref>Rashi Eruvin 59a, Igrot Moshe 1:139:5, 4:87 s.v. v'b'ir</ref> | ||
##It includes people in cars or trains, according to most poskim.<ref>Although Yeshot Malko OC 27 holds that people in trains don't count towards the 600,000 because they are enclosed in a reshut hayachid, Rav Moshe Feinstein (Igrot Moshe OC 1:139, 5:28:2) rejects this completely.</ref> | ##It includes people in cars or trains, according to most poskim.<ref>Although Yeshot Malko OC 27 holds that people in trains don't count towards the 600,000 because they are enclosed in a reshut hayachid, Rav Moshe Feinstein (Igrot Moshe OC 1:139, 5:28:2) rejects this completely. Rav Yonatan Shteif (Teshuvot 68 s.v. vheneh) agreed with the Yeshuot Malko and explains that people in cars don't count because it isn't similar to the way people walked in the desert. Rav Elya Meir Bloch (Kol Tzvi p. 19) argued and proved that people in cars count just like the Magen Avraham 363:30 writes that people in boats count towards the 600,000.</ref> | ||
##It includes people in their houses, according to most poskim.<ref>This is the implication of the Bet Efraim and Mishkenot Yakov. Arichat Shulchan Halevi 4 understands that Rav Belsky includes population even indoors but challenges him from Rav Moshe.</ref> Rav Moshe Feinstein is lenient not to include people in their houses and therefore arrives at a conclusion that a population of 3,000,000 is necessary for a reshut harabbim.<Ref>Igrot Moshe OC 1:139, 4:87</ref> | ##It includes people in their houses, according to most poskim.<ref>This is the implication of the Bet Efraim and Mishkenot Yakov. Arichat Shulchan Halevi 4 understands that Rav Belsky includes population even indoors but challenges him from Rav Moshe.</ref> Rav Moshe Feinstein is lenient not to include people in their houses and therefore arrives at a conclusion that a population of 3,000,000 is necessary for a reshut harabbim.<Ref>Igrot Moshe OC 1:139, 4:87</ref> | ||
#Where in the reshut harabbim are the 600,000? | #Where in the reshut harabbim are the 600,000? | ||
## Majority of achronim hold that as long as there are 600,000 people anywhere in the city every street in the city becomes a reshut harabbim. Some include even the population of the nearby cities that the city in question is open to.<ref>Rav Belsky in Shulchan Halevi. Yeshuot Malko OC 27 writes that shishim ribo includes everyone who is in the city. Though, he holds that for streets outside the city it is a reshut harabbim without shishim ribo.</ref> | ## Majority of achronim hold that as long as there are 600,000 people anywhere in the city every street in the city becomes a reshut harabbim. Some include even the population of the nearby cities that the city in question is open to.<ref>Rav Belsky in Shulchan Halevi 1:11, Rav Isaac Ausband (Kol Tzvi v. 7 p. 18). Yeshuot Malko OC 27 writes that shishim ribo includes everyone who is in the city. Though, he holds that for streets outside the city it is a reshut harabbim without shishim ribo.</ref> | ||
## Some achronim hold that only if there are 600,000 people in the area that the eruv encloses is it a reshut harabbim.<ref> | ## Some achronim hold that only if there are 600,000 people in the area that the eruv encloses is it a reshut harabbim.<ref>Rav Elya Meir Bloch (Kol Tzvi v. 7 p. 18) writes that it is possible to split up a city such as Manhattan with a tzurat hapetach so that in the area enclosed there's not 600,000 and then isn't a reshut harabbim. At the end he concludes that the matter needs more investigation and leaves it unresolved. This also appears to be the view of Shevet Halevi 8:177(2). Rav Yonatan Shteif (Teshuvot 68 s.v. v'ayin) implies this approach as well, but it isn't clear since he first mentions his approach that Manhattan isn't a reshut harabbim anyway because of walls. | ||
* [https://eruvonline.blogspot.com/2011/07/rav-moshe-feinstein-ztl-new-discovery.html Some say] that this is also the view of Rav Moshe Feinstein. However, from Igrot Moshe 4:88 and 5:28:1 this seems incorrect. He writes there that one cannot make an eruv even in section of Brooklyn since within a 12x12 mil of that area there is 600,000 people.</ref> | |||
## Some achronim hold that only if there are 600,000 people on a single street that street is not a reshut harabbim.<ref>Arichat Shulchan Halevi n. 4 proves from Bet Meir 5b s.v. bishlama that shishim ribo is judged by every street individually.</ref> | ## Some achronim hold that only if there are 600,000 people on a single street that street is not a reshut harabbim.<ref>Arichat Shulchan Halevi n. 4 proves from Bet Meir 5b s.v. bishlama that shishim ribo is judged by every street individually.</ref> | ||
## Rav Moshe Feinstein holds that only if there are 600,000 people within an area that is 12x12 mil is it a reshut harabbim.<ref>Igrot Moshe 1:139, 4:87</ref> | ## Rav Moshe Feinstein holds that only if there are 600,000 people within an area that is 12x12 mil is it a reshut harabbim.<ref>Igrot Moshe 1:139, 4:87</ref> | ||
