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# Havinenu takes the place of [[Shemona Esreh]] and when one is no longer in an extenuating circumstance one doesn’t have to repeat [[Shemona Esreh]]. <ref>Tur and S”A 110:1 </ref> | # Havinenu takes the place of [[Shemona Esreh]] and when one is no longer in an extenuating circumstance one doesn’t have to repeat [[Shemona Esreh]]. <ref>Tur and S”A 110:1 </ref> | ||
==When Havinenu could be said== | ==When Havinenu could be said== | ||
# One may not say Havinenu during the winter (from Dec 4, outside Israel, or 7th of Cheshvan in Israel, until the second day of Pesach) nor on Motzei Shabbat or [[Yom Tov]]. <ref> | # One may not say Havinenu during the winter (from Dec 4, outside Israel, or 7th of Cheshvan in Israel, until the second day of Pesach) nor on Motzei [[Shabbat]] or [[Yom Tov]]. <ref> | ||
* In Gemara Brachot 29a, Rav Nachman in the name of Shmuel says that on Motzei Shabbat one may not say Havinenu because one has to add in the paragraph of Atta Chonantanu and that wasn’t instituted into the paragraph of Havinenu. Mar Zutra asks why one isn’t able to add a few words into Havinenu to represent the idea of Atta Choanantanu. The Gemara leaves it as a question. | * In Gemara Brachot 29a, Rav Nachman in the name of Shmuel says that on Motzei [[Shabbat]] one may not say Havinenu because one has to add in the paragraph of Atta Chonantanu and that wasn’t instituted into the paragraph of Havinenu. Mar Zutra asks why one isn’t able to add a few words into Havinenu to represent the idea of Atta Choanantanu. The Gemara leaves it as a question. | ||
* The Rabbenu Yonah (Brachot 19a D”H Mipnei) writes that even though the Gemara left it as a question it’s not a rejection and we indeed hold like Shmuel and perhaps one could answer that had we added a few words to represent Atta Chonantanu people would have come to think mistakenly that Atta Chonantanu is considered a Bracha by itself. The Rif 19a, Rosh 4:13, Rambam (Tefillah 2:4), Rashba (Brachot 29a D”H Matkif) in name of Rav Hai Goan, and the Tur rule like Shmuel against the Rashba (his own opinion) and the Ri Ben Gayit (quoted in the Bet Yosef 110:1) who ruled like Mar Zutra. The S”A 110:1 codifies the halacha like Shmuel that one may not say Havinenu on Motzei Shabbat. | * The Rabbenu Yonah (Brachot 19a D”H Mipnei) writes that even though the Gemara left it as a question it’s not a rejection and we indeed hold like Shmuel and perhaps one could answer that had we added a few words to represent Atta Chonantanu people would have come to think mistakenly that Atta Chonantanu is considered a Bracha by itself. The Rif 19a, Rosh 4:13, Rambam (Tefillah 2:4), Rashba (Brachot 29a D”H Matkif) in name of Rav Hai Goan, and the Tur rule like Shmuel against the Rashba (his own opinion) and the Ri Ben Gayit (quoted in the Bet Yosef 110:1) who ruled like Mar Zutra. The S”A 110:1 codifies the halacha like Shmuel that one may not say Havinenu on Motzei [[Shabbat]]. | ||
* Rav Bibi Bar Abaye says that one may not say Havinenu during the winter months because one has to add in the request of rain. Mar Zutra asked why one can’t add this request into Havinenu and the Gemara answers that there’s a concern that one will make a mistake and forget to add it in. [The Gemara says that this is different than Atta Chonantanu which is in the beginning of Havinenu and there’s no concern that one will forget. Additionally, the Bet Yosef 110:1 explains that this isn’t a concern when saying the full [[Shemona Esreh]], but only when saying the abridged [[Shemona Esreh]] there is a concern that one will skip the few words which represent this addition.] | * Rav Bibi Bar Abaye says that one may not say Havinenu during the winter months because one has to add in the request of rain. Mar Zutra asked why one can’t add this request into Havinenu and the Gemara answers that there’s a concern that one will make a mistake and forget to add it in. [The Gemara says that this is different than Atta Chonantanu which is in the beginning of Havinenu and there’s no concern that one will forget. Additionally, the Bet Yosef 110:1 explains that this isn’t a concern when saying the full [[Shemona Esreh]], but only when saying the abridged [[Shemona Esreh]] there is a concern that one will skip the few words which represent this addition.] | ||
* The Rabben Manoach (Tefillah 2:4) writes that if one is certain that one is able to say this addition then one may say Havinenu. However, the Kesef Mishna (Tefillah 2:4) writes that there’s no other Rishon who holds like the Rabbenu Manoach. | * The Rabben Manoach (Tefillah 2:4) writes that if one is certain that one is able to say this addition then one may say Havinenu. However, the Kesef Mishna (Tefillah 2:4) writes that there’s no other Rishon who holds like the Rabbenu Manoach. | ||
