2
edits
Hatmana: Difference between revisions
From Halachipedia
no edit summary
No edit summary |
|||
| Line 3: | Line 3: | ||
# One is permitted to insulate food before [[Shabbat]], with material that preserves heat. This is permitted even during twilight period. However, before the [[Shabbat]] one is not permitted to insulate food with material that increases the heat lest one insulate with hot ashes containing coals and lest the food be incompletely cooked and one come to rake the coals on the [[Shabbat]].<Ref>See Talmud [[Shabbat]] 34b, Rashi at loc, Shulchan Aruch O.C. 257:1</ref> | # One is permitted to insulate food before [[Shabbat]], with material that preserves heat. This is permitted even during twilight period. However, before the [[Shabbat]] one is not permitted to insulate food with material that increases the heat lest one insulate with hot ashes containing coals and lest the food be incompletely cooked and one come to rake the coals on the [[Shabbat]].<Ref>See Talmud [[Shabbat]] 34b, Rashi at loc, Shulchan Aruch O.C. 257:1</ref> | ||
# On the Sabbath itself insulating is forbidden even with material that only preserves the heat, see statement of Rava on Gemara Shabbat (34a) as a prohibition lest one discover the pot to be too cold and heat it up on coals on the [[Shabbat]] and stoke the coals. This does not apply during twilight period as most pots are warm at that time.<ref>Shulchan Aruch 257:1</ref> | # On the Sabbath itself insulating is forbidden even with material that only preserves the heat, see statement of Rava on Gemara Shabbat (34a) as a prohibition lest one discover the pot to be too cold and heat it up on coals on the [[Shabbat]] and stoke the coals. This does not apply during twilight period as most pots are warm at that time.<ref>Shulchan Aruch 257:1</ref> | ||
# It is permitted to insulate before [[Shabbat]] with material that preserves heat like a cloth. <Ref> Shemirat Shabbat KeHilchata 1:75 ( | # It is permitted to insulate before [[Shabbat]] with material that preserves heat like a cloth. <Ref> Shemirat Shabbat KeHilchata 1:75 (3rd edition), implied from Shulchan Aruch 257:1,3.</ref> There is a dispute if a pot that is covered with clothes can be placed on a heating element, which would cause the pot to get hot. See further. | ||
## Everyone agrees that before Shabbat it is permissible to wrap a pot that is off the fire or on top of a hot pot which is off the fire. <ref>Shulchan Aruch 258:1, Mishna Brurah 258:2, Shemirat [[Shabbat]] KeHilchata 1:75 </ref> | ## Everyone agrees that before Shabbat it is permissible to wrap a pot that is off the fire or on top of a hot pot which is off the fire. <ref>Shulchan Aruch 258:1, Mishna Brurah 258:2, Shemirat [[Shabbat]] KeHilchata 1:75 </ref> | ||
## According to most poskim, it is forbidden even before Shabbat to wrap a pot with clothes if the pot is on a covered fire or electric hotplate. <Ref>Shulchan Aruch 257:8 explains that even though covering with a cloth is considered something doesn't preserve the heat, since the pot is top of the fire insulating the pot with the cloth becomes like it is insulated with something that preserves the heat, which is forbidden even on Friday. Mishna Brurah 257:37, Kaf Hachaim 257:40, and Shemirat [[Shabbat]] KeHilchata 1:75 agree.</ref> However, if a Sephardic Jew has such a minhag he doesn't need to be stopped.<ref> Chazon Ovadia (Shabbat v. 1 p. 56) writes that some are lenient and there is a minhag to be lenient against Shulchan Aruch. | ## According to most poskim, it is forbidden even before Shabbat to wrap a pot with clothes if the pot is on a covered fire or electric hotplate. <Ref>Shulchan Aruch 257:8 explains that even though covering with a cloth is considered something doesn't preserve the heat, since the pot is top of the fire insulating the pot with the cloth becomes like it is insulated with something that preserves the heat, which is forbidden even on Friday. Mishna Brurah 257:37, Kaf Hachaim 257:40, and Shemirat [[Shabbat]] KeHilchata 1:75 agree.</ref> However, if a Sephardic Jew has such a minhag he doesn't need to be stopped.<ref> Chazon Ovadia (Shabbat v. 1 p. 56) writes that some are lenient and there is a minhag to be lenient against Shulchan Aruch. | ||
| Line 12: | Line 12: | ||
===Food in Other Food=== | ===Food in Other Food=== | ||
# There is no issue of [[insulating food]] inside other food if there's no separation. <Ref> Shemirat [[Shabbat]] KeHilchata 1:72 </ref> | # There is no issue of [[insulating food]] inside other food if there's no separation. <Ref> Shemirat [[Shabbat]] KeHilchata 1:72 </ref> | ||
# Before [[Shabbat]], some say that one can leave fully cooked food in a plastic, nylon, or aluminum bag in an pot of hot food (such as kuggel in chulent), however, some forbid because of Hatmana. <Ref> Chazon Ish 37:32 rules that a vessel inside a pot of hot water doesn’t have an issue of Hatmana. Even though, Aruch HaShulchan 258:3 and Sh”t Shevet HaLevi 3:47 argue on the Chazon Ish, Chazon Ovadyah ([[Shabbat]] 1 pg 62) says one can rely on the Chazon Ish to be lenient, especially if the food is fully cooked (for which Rama 257:7 permits Hatmana). Sh”t Shevet HaLevi 8:15(4) says that there is what to be lenient since the bag is only separating the food inside it but it would have been hot from the pot nonetheless. Sh”t Vayeshev Moshe (Zanger) O”C 19 adds that the bag or aluminum isn’t a real vessel that separates the food inside it. Rav Shlomo Zalman in Sh”t Minchat Shlomo (2:34(20) in Ostrot Shlomo version), Sh”t LeHorot Natan O”C 12, Kovetz Or Yisrael 5:23, Sh”t Shraga HaMeir 4:63, 6:3, Megilat Sefer on [[Shabbat]] 4:13, Sh”t Kinyan Torah 4:24, Sh”t Az Nidabru 6:78, Sh”t Or Letzion 2:17(13), and Sh”t Maaseh Nisim 163 agree that there’s no Hatmana in our case of a food within another food since it’s not meant to be totally separate. | # Before [[Shabbat]], some say that one can leave fully cooked food in a plastic, nylon, or aluminum bag in an pot of hot food (such as kuggel in chulent), however, some forbid because of Hatmana. <Ref> Chazon Ish 37:32 rules that a vessel inside a pot of hot water doesn’t have an issue of Hatmana. Even though, Aruch HaShulchan 258:3 and Sh”t Shevet HaLevi 3:47 argue on the Chazon Ish, Chazon Ovadyah ([[Shabbat]] 1 pg 62) says one can rely on the Chazon Ish to be lenient, especially if the food is fully cooked (for which Rama 257:7 permits Hatmana). Sh”t Shevet HaLevi 8:15(4) says that there is what to be lenient since the bag is only separating the food inside it but it would have been hot from the pot nonetheless. Sh”t Vayeshev Moshe (Zanger) O”C 19 adds that the bag or aluminum isn’t a real vessel that separates the food inside it. Rav Shlomo Zalman in Sh”t Minchat Shlomo (2:34(20) in Ostrot Shlomo version), Sh”t LeHorot Natan O”C 12, Kovetz Or Yisrael 5:23, Sh”t Shraga HaMeir 4:63, 6:3, Megilat Sefer on [[Shabbat]] 4:13, Sh”t Kinyan Torah 4:24, Sh”t Az Nidabru 6:78, Sh”t Or Letzion 2:17(13), and Sh”t Maaseh Nisim 163 agree that there’s no Hatmana in our case of a food within another food since it’s not meant to be totally separate. | ||
In the 2nd edition of Shemirat [[Shabbat]] Kehilchasa 42:63 he was strict regarding materials that don’t allow liquid through such as plastic, nylon, or aluminum liners inside chulent or crock pots, however in the 3rd edition there’s an explicit retraction in 1:87 quoting Rav Shlomo Zalman to permit in all circumstances. | |||
Meor [[Shabbat]] 3 pg 519, and Menuchat Ahavah 1:3(27) are somewhat strict on the issue, the Minhag is to be lenient on this issue. </ref>. | |||
# It is forbidden on Shabbat to insulate a bottle of liquid inside a container of hot water even if it won't reach yad soledet bo. However, according to Ashkenazim, it is permitted to insulate a bottle of liquid in a container of hot water if the bottle is partly out of the hot water (assuming that there is no issue of bishul).<ref>Mishna Brurah 258:2, Dirshu Footnote 258:7</ref> | # It is forbidden on Shabbat to insulate a bottle of liquid inside a container of hot water even if it won't reach yad soledet bo. However, according to Ashkenazim, it is permitted to insulate a bottle of liquid in a container of hot water if the bottle is partly out of the hot water (assuming that there is no issue of bishul).<ref>Mishna Brurah 258:2, Dirshu Footnote 258:7</ref> | ||
===Hot Plate Blanket=== | ===Hot Plate Blanket=== | ||
